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Hallo,  If you’re heading to Pisa (Florence, Lucca, etc), you will enjoy reading about an unusual experience in that area: http://www.thetravelzine.com/it_w2003_3.htm Bye, Joh

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>Please note that only local trains to/from >La Spezia and to/from Lucca stop at Pisa >S. Rossore (maybe not all of them stop, >so check in advance). Trains to/from >Florence do not pass through S. Rossore.

Thanks Luca. I now recall the poster that mentioned that station was coming from Lucca.  Adding Florence to it was just my wrong assumption:). Regards, Walter ..And Paradise Was Lost…like teardrops in the rain…

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> These are directions from the Pisa Centrale Station although I’ve heard > that the smaller Pisa S. Rossore Station is closer (5 min walk). Which > if you’re daytripping from Florence or Lucca might be a better option.

Please note that only local trains to/from La Spezia and to/from Lucca stop at Pisa S. Rossore (maybe not all of them stop, so check in advance). Trains to/from Florence do not pass through S. Rossore. —

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> Rick Steve’s latest book on Italy says there is no longer any luggage > storage in the Pisa rail station. Is this true?

I was there in April 2002 and was disheartened to discover that there was no storage.  The ticket agent said it was closed for security reasons.  And it was a Sunday — no buses or cabs — so I had to schlep my heavy bag all the way to the Tower.  Managed to get a bus back to the station, though. But I understand this has now changed.  Some posters here have indicated that storage is once again available.

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I was there in Feb. and do not recall seeing any luggage storage; could be I missed it, but we explored the station pretty well during a half hour or so layover between trains. — wf. > Rick Steve’s latest book on Italy says there is no longer any luggage > storage in the Pisa rail station. Is this true? > – > Posted via http://www.travel-forums.com

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>Rick Steve’s latest book on Italy says >there is no longer any luggage storage in >the Pisa rail station. Is this true?

 They recently open a manned storage area at the station. Below are daytrip directions (past post), I was there in    March 2003. Regards, Walter These are directions from the Pisa Centrale Station although I’ve heard that the smaller Pisa S. Rossore Station is closer (5 min walk). Which if you’re daytripping from Florence or Lucca might be a better option.

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Ronald It sounds like both locations would be extremely interesting.  We’d like to take in both the ambiance of Italy as well as those touristy things of which many of us partake on our first trip or two to an area.  We may adjust our plans to allow for more days in that general area before moving on to Firenze. Thanks for your comments. Eric

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from > Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll > be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California > Here you find all the trains in Italy > http://www.trenitalia.it/home/en/index.html. > I don’t agree about Pisa having nothing else then the tower. Pisa is a very > lively Italian town where everyday life if charming to see while Lucca is > for tourists only -in the season. > Ronald www.mulazzo.nl > — > Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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> We stayed one night at the Jolly Cavalieri and one night at the > D’Azeglio.  One does not get a lot for the cost of hotel in Pisa. > Both were adequate, but I assume all other hotels will offer similar > value.  The Jolly(most expensive) was the only hotel with rooms for > one of the nights.  The place fills up with Florence overflow.

I stayed at the Jolly Cavalieri in Pisa last year and can’t really recommend it: both expensive and unfriendly by Italian standards, poorly ventilated rooms, a bit of a tedious walk to the interesting part of Pisa on the other side of the river. Its only saving grace is that it is directly opposite the railway station, so for anyone arriving dog-tired with heavy luggage (as I did) it’s a welcome sight.

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Thank you – all the various tips are much appreciated and, I’m sure, will make our trip to Italy a very enjoyable one.

> Two nice rail circle trips for mountain scenery are: > Pisa/Lucca/Aulla/Pisa and Pisa/Pistoia/Porretto/Bologna/Firenzie/Pisa. >  AFAIR the Lucca/Aulla and Pistoia/Porretto portions are second class > trains only, i.e. ‘R’ trains. > — > wf.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – > we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

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My family and I will be going to pisa on May 20. I decideed to reserve a room in advance using the following website. www.pisaonline.it/ I have been to pisa two years ago, but it was only a day trip. We took the train into Pisa the morning of, looked around, and took an evening train into Florence. THis year we choose to stay becuase I wanted to go up the tower since it reopened only after I was there. Make sure you buy your ticket in advance if you want to do that. Thanks Anuj – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from >  Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll >  be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California > Here you find all the trains in Italy > http://www.trenitalia.it/home/en/index.html. > I don’t agree about Pisa having nothing else then the tower. Pisa is a very > lively Italian town where everyday life if charming to see while Lucca is > for tourists only -in the season. > Ronald www.mulazzo.nl > — > Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Debbie Thanks for the quick response! We will not have the convenience of a car – but if there is convenient bus/rail transportation between the Pisa Airport and Lucca … and then back to Pisa for a day of sightseeing, we could give it a try.  We will be arriving late in the evening, so the overnight hotel stay will be primarily to have pillows on which to lay or respective heads.  We plan to have a full day the next day for sightseeing in Pisa, but need to be in Florence by 5:00 p.m. Eric (and Sandy) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dear Eric and Sandy > Would you consider going directly from Pisa to Lucca?  I find Lucca charming > and it is easy to visit the sites in Pisa from there. Lucca, IMO, has charm. > Pisa, IMO, lacks charm. > If you would like a good hotel rec for Lucca, I can give you one. > Ciao > Debbie > My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

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> Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

You can buy train tickets and get timetable information at the automatic ticket machines in the major stations. They have an English language option.

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Hi, > A car was being avoided solely because we’ve heard some rumors about > aggressive drivers in Italy.  What were your experiences "on the > road"?

Although your question was directed at the other poster, I’ll take the liberty to answer, too. Driving in Italy is not too difficult. As long as you stay on the highways. there’s nothing to worry at all. Cities are a different matter. As a general rule of thumb, the farther south you get, the less "relaxed" the driving will become, i.e. the less will drivers obey the rules. It is not uncommon in Rome or Napoli to drive across a junction when the light’s red. However, Tuscany and even Florence are still quite manageable. At least I survived Florence and Pisa without any scratch, although I did have to draw on my driving experience from my times as a semi-professional driver in Stuttgart, Germany. The name of which brings me to the last point I’d like to add: although I’ve emphasised that it is manageable, do expect driving to be wilder than in, say, the UK, Germany or the USA. What seems to be "aggressive" to the foreigner is really just "wild". I remember that time when I was looking for a parking lot in downtown Florence, in one of those narrow, narrow streets, which was a one-way (important for this story!). My girlfriend saw it first and shouted "left", so I pulled over. I earned an instant honking from the Vespa scooter that I just had almost crashed into. It had been on my *left* side, just in the blind spot. The driver, his 12year-old daughter sitting behind him, pulled over to our right side, so my girlfriend opened the window. He must have had noticed our foreign plate, because he threw at us, in a broken English: "Arrr you crazzy?" I was so jiggered, I just stumbled "No". He said "Good",  and left us there. In hindsight, I know it was his fault, because what the heck was he doing in my blind spot, on the left side, in a one-way? But there you are… Italy. Ahhhhh. Have fun on your trip, Ralph

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Two nice rail circle trips for mountain scenery are: Pisa/Lucca/Aulla/Pisa and Pisa/Pistoia/Porretto/Bologna/Firenzie/Pisa.  AFAIR the Lucca/Aulla and Pistoia/Porretto portions are second class trains only, i.e. ‘R’ trains. — wf. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

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Hi, > We were also thinking about buy an Italia Rail pass.  Have you used > the passes for train travel?

That depends on how much you want to travel and how much discount you will get with your rail pass. I’ve got a carta verde, which is for those under 26, and it gives me a 20% discount. But you have to travel at least 2000 or 3000 km to get your money’s worth. You’ll find more information on www.trenitalia.it. R

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> My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa.

Hi Eric, I’m Lio and I live in Pisa. Very good your choice to visit my city ! > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary.

Living here, I’ve no experience in local hotels but I can tell you that recently a new 5* hotel opened in historical center and if this is your 30th wedding anniversary I think it’s a good idea that the hotel be unforgettable ! This is the URL http://www.pisaonline.it/HotelRelaisOrologio/ The hotel is located between the Piazza dei Miracoli (Leaning Tower) and Piazza dei Cavalieri (a more wonderful square that unfortunately is in the same city of the other, else it’d be the most famous). > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay.

I think it’s a good idea to stay 2 days in Pisa: you’d visit also: – the already mentioned Piazza dei Cavalieri and the whole historical center; – Chiesa della Spina located in Lungarno (riverside); – Arno riverside (wonderful)- since 19/4 a boat service is active: you can visit: http://www.ilnavicello.it/ – Parco di San Rossore, a wonderful natural park close to the city, more info at: http://www.parcosanrossore.it/ – Chiesa di San Piero (towards the sea); – Marina di Pisa and Tirrenia on the sea; – Certosa di Pisa (located in Calci, 5 km. out of the city); > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome.

The best connection between Pisa area and Florence is the rail between Pisa Centrale and Firenze Santa Maria Novella (both in the center of the 2 cities); train info at http://www.fs-on-line.com/ > We look forward to your comments.

Eric, a lot of time ago I made also a site about my city; the URL is http://www.pisa.bbk.org , but it’s a lot of time I don’t update it; however you can find a lot of images there, so you can choose better your trips. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

Wonderful California, I went there 13 years ago ! Ciao

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>My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making >reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. >If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your >experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a >concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding >anniversary.

We enjoyed a couple days in Pisa.  The central street has been blocked from auto traffic, and is a walking mall.  It is full of the local people. We stayed one night at the Jolly Cavalieri and one night at the D’Azeglio.  One does not get a lot for the cost of hotel in Pisa. Both were adequate, but I assume all other hotels will offer similar value.  The Jolly(most expensive) was the only hotel with rooms for one of the nights.  The place fills up with Florence overflow. >We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa >to Florence after a two day stay.

It is essentially a commuter trip.  The station is across from the Jolly, and you land in the center of Florence.  If there is a major event in Florence at the time, the trains will be so full you will have to wait for an empty. >Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be >taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from >Florence and Rome.

Tickets are available usually  from some travel agency(not all).  Ask at your hotel where to buy a ticket.  Second class is quite nice for short trips.  First class is quite nice.  Buy in advance by a day or two.  Buy in Italy, as they are much less expensive than in US. Some classes of tickets require a seat reservation(first does) and some require to be time stamped(first does not). >We look forward to your comments.

To tour Chianti area, one needs a car, which is a worthless expense in both Rome and Florence.  One can bus, but it is not easy.  Car rental is extremely expensive. You did not say how long you will be in Italy, but if for no more than two weeks, you will really have time for only a couple of side trips, unless you have a very short attention span. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Eric and Sandy >Hercules, California

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

Here you find all the trains in Italy http://www.trenitalia.it/home/en/index.html. I don’t agree about Pisa having nothing else then the tower. Pisa is a very lively Italian town where everyday life if charming to see while Lucca is for tourists only -in the season. Ronald www.mulazzo.nl — Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Someone else already mentioned it, but since I was going to do so, let me 2nd the idea: Stay in Lucca instead of Pisa. Close to Pisa (but rather infrequent trains). Frequent train connections to Florence. A lovely town. Pisa has one thing to see and it IS wonderful, but after you have seen that, there is not much else. Train travel in Italy in general:   Good service,particularly Rome north (were you will be)   It is Italy, so expect some group to strike (rail, museums, air, someone). Don’t let it get to you. Have a coffee and relax. The strikes are usually          1/2 day or 1 day affairs.   Buying tickets at the larger stations can be a PITA.. long lines, etc. Most Italian travel agents sell them (including seat reservations) for the same price. You        will want a seat reservation for Florence to Rome (and vice versa).   Seeing the hill towns by train is not easy or convenient. A car is much better for this. But, there is rather decent bus service (Florence to Siena, for example,      is easier by bus than by train. Chianti is just about unserviced by trains. The buses usually leave from next to or at last close by the train stations. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

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My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding anniversary. We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa to Florence after a two day stay. Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from Florence and Rome. We look forward to your comments. Eric and Sandy Hercules, California

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Dear Eric and Sandy Would you consider going directly from Pisa to Lucca?  I find Lucca charming and it is easy to visit the sites in Pisa from there. Lucca, IMO, has charm. Pisa, IMO, lacks charm. If you would like a good hotel rec for Lucca, I can give you one. Ciao Debbie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

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Paul Thanks so much for seconding the first motion.  We may, indeed, try Lucca now. We were also thinking about buy an Italia Rail pass.  Have you used the passes for train travel? A car was being avoided solely because we’ve heard some rumors about aggressive drivers in Italy.  What were your experiences "on the road"? Eric (and Sandy)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Someone else already mentioned it, but since I was going to do so, let me > 2nd the idea: Stay in Lucca instead of Pisa. Close to Pisa (but rather > infrequent trains). Frequent train connections to Florence. A lovely town. > Pisa has one thing to see and it IS wonderful, but after you have seen that, > there is not much else. > Train travel in Italy in general: >   Good service,particularly Rome north (were you will be) >   It is Italy, so expect some group to strike (rail, museums, air, someone). > Don’t let it get to you. Have a coffee and relax. The strikes are usually >          1/2 day or 1 day affairs. >   Buying tickets at the larger stations can be a PITA.. long lines, etc. > Most Italian travel agents sell them (including seat reservations) for the > same price. You >        will want a seat reservation for Florence to Rome (and vice versa). >   Seeing the hill towns by train is not easy or convenient. A car is much > better for this. But, there is rather decent bus service (Florence to Siena, > for example, >      is easier by bus than by train. Chianti is just about unserviced by > trains. The buses usually leave from next to or at last close by the train > stations. > Paul > My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from > Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll > be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

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My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding anniversary. We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa to Florence after a two day stay. Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from Florence and Rome. We look forward to your comments. Eric and Sandy Hercules, California

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Dear Eric and Sandy Would you consider going directly from Pisa to Lucca?  I find Lucca charming and it is easy to visit the sites in Pisa from there. Lucca, IMO, has charm. Pisa, IMO, lacks charm. If you would like a good hotel rec for Lucca, I can give you one. Ciao Debbie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

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Someone else already mentioned it, but since I was going to do so, let me 2nd the idea: Stay in Lucca instead of Pisa. Close to Pisa (but rather infrequent trains). Frequent train connections to Florence. A lovely town. Pisa has one thing to see and it IS wonderful, but after you have seen that, there is not much else. Train travel in Italy in general:   Good service,particularly Rome north (were you will be)   It is Italy, so expect some group to strike (rail, museums, air, someone). Don’t let it get to you. Have a coffee and relax. The strikes are usually          1/2 day or 1 day affairs.   Buying tickets at the larger stations can be a PITA.. long lines, etc. Most Italian travel agents sell them (including seat reservations) for the same price. You        will want a seat reservation for Florence to Rome (and vice versa).   Seeing the hill towns by train is not easy or convenient. A car is much better for this. But, there is rather decent bus service (Florence to Siena, for example,      is easier by bus than by train. Chianti is just about unserviced by trains. The buses usually leave from next to or at last close by the train stations. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

Here you find all the trains in Italy http://www.trenitalia.it/home/en/index.html. I don’t agree about Pisa having nothing else then the tower. Pisa is a very lively Italian town where everyday life if charming to see while Lucca is for tourists only -in the season. Ronald www.mulazzo.nl — Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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>My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making >reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. >If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your >experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a >concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding >anniversary.

We enjoyed a couple days in Pisa.  The central street has been blocked from auto traffic, and is a walking mall.  It is full of the local people. We stayed one night at the Jolly Cavalieri and one night at the D’Azeglio.  One does not get a lot for the cost of hotel in Pisa. Both were adequate, but I assume all other hotels will offer similar value.  The Jolly(most expensive) was the only hotel with rooms for one of the nights.  The place fills up with Florence overflow. >We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa >to Florence after a two day stay.

It is essentially a commuter trip.  The station is across from the Jolly, and you land in the center of Florence.  If there is a major event in Florence at the time, the trains will be so full you will have to wait for an empty. >Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be >taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from >Florence and Rome.

Tickets are available usually  from some travel agency(not all).  Ask at your hotel where to buy a ticket.  Second class is quite nice for short trips.  First class is quite nice.  Buy in advance by a day or two.  Buy in Italy, as they are much less expensive than in US. Some classes of tickets require a seat reservation(first does) and some require to be time stamped(first does not). >We look forward to your comments.

To tour Chianti area, one needs a car, which is a worthless expense in both Rome and Florence.  One can bus, but it is not easy.  Car rental is extremely expensive. You did not say how long you will be in Italy, but if for no more than two weeks, you will really have time for only a couple of side trips, unless you have a very short attention span. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Eric and Sandy >Hercules, California

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My family and I will be going to pisa on May 20. I decideed to reserve a room in advance using the following website. www.pisaonline.it/ I have been to pisa two years ago, but it was only a day trip. We took the train into Pisa the morning of, looked around, and took an evening train into Florence. THis year we choose to stay becuase I wanted to go up the tower since it reopened only after I was there. Make sure you buy your ticket in advance if you want to do that. Thanks Anuj – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from >  Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll >  be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California > Here you find all the trains in Italy > http://www.trenitalia.it/home/en/index.html. > I don’t agree about Pisa having nothing else then the tower. Pisa is a very > lively Italian town where everyday life if charming to see while Lucca is > for tourists only -in the season. > Ronald www.mulazzo.nl > — > Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Debbie Thanks for the quick response! We will not have the convenience of a car – but if there is convenient bus/rail transportation between the Pisa Airport and Lucca … and then back to Pisa for a day of sightseeing, we could give it a try.  We will be arriving late in the evening, so the overnight hotel stay will be primarily to have pillows on which to lay or respective heads.  We plan to have a full day the next day for sightseeing in Pisa, but need to be in Florence by 5:00 p.m. Eric (and Sandy) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dear Eric and Sandy > Would you consider going directly from Pisa to Lucca?  I find Lucca charming > and it is easy to visit the sites in Pisa from there. Lucca, IMO, has charm. > Pisa, IMO, lacks charm. > If you would like a good hotel rec for Lucca, I can give you one. > Ciao > Debbie > My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

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Paul Thanks so much for seconding the first motion.  We may, indeed, try Lucca now. We were also thinking about buy an Italia Rail pass.  Have you used the passes for train travel? A car was being avoided solely because we’ve heard some rumors about aggressive drivers in Italy.  What were your experiences "on the road"? Eric (and Sandy)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Someone else already mentioned it, but since I was going to do so, let me > 2nd the idea: Stay in Lucca instead of Pisa. Close to Pisa (but rather > infrequent trains). Frequent train connections to Florence. A lovely town. > Pisa has one thing to see and it IS wonderful, but after you have seen that, > there is not much else. > Train travel in Italy in general: >   Good service,particularly Rome north (were you will be) >   It is Italy, so expect some group to strike (rail, museums, air, someone). > Don’t let it get to you. Have a coffee and relax. The strikes are usually >          1/2 day or 1 day affairs. >   Buying tickets at the larger stations can be a PITA.. long lines, etc. > Most Italian travel agents sell them (including seat reservations) for the > same price. You >        will want a seat reservation for Florence to Rome (and vice versa). >   Seeing the hill towns by train is not easy or convenient. A car is much > better for this. But, there is rather decent bus service (Florence to Siena, > for example, >      is easier by bus than by train. Chianti is just about unserviced by > trains. The buses usually leave from next to or at last close by the train > stations. > Paul > My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from > Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll > be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

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Ronald It sounds like both locations would be extremely interesting.  We’d like to take in both the ambiance of Italy as well as those touristy things of which many of us partake on our first trip or two to an area.  We may adjust our plans to allow for more days in that general area before moving on to Firenze. Thanks for your comments. Eric

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa. > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary. > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from > Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay. > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll > be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California > Here you find all the trains in Italy > http://www.trenitalia.it/home/en/index.html. > I don’t agree about Pisa having nothing else then the tower. Pisa is a very > lively Italian town where everyday life if charming to see while Lucca is > for tourists only -in the season. > Ronald www.mulazzo.nl > — > Outgoing mail is AVG certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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> My wife and I will be travelling to Italy next year and are already making > reservations.  One spot that we will be visiting is Pisa.

Hi Eric, I’m Lio and I live in Pisa. Very good your choice to visit my city ! > If you have stayed in a hotel in Pisa and would like to share your > experiences, we’d be very interested.  Of course, budget is always a > concern, but we may splurge on this trip, it being our 30th wedding > anniversary.

Living here, I’ve no experience in local hotels but I can tell you that recently a new 5* hotel opened in historical center and if this is your 30th wedding anniversary I think it’s a good idea that the hotel be unforgettable ! This is the URL http://www.pisaonline.it/HotelRelaisOrologio/ The hotel is located between the Piazza dei Miracoli (Leaning Tower) and Piazza dei Cavalieri (a more wonderful square that unfortunately is in the same city of the other, else it’d be the most famous). > We’ll be flying into the Pisa airport, but will be taking a train from Pisa > to Florence after a two day stay.

I think it’s a good idea to stay 2 days in Pisa: you’d visit also: – the already mentioned Piazza dei Cavalieri and the whole historical center; – Chiesa della Spina located in Lungarno (riverside); – Arno riverside (wonderful)- since 19/4 a boat service is active: you can visit: http://www.ilnavicello.it/ – Parco di San Rossore, a wonderful natural park close to the city, more info at: http://www.parcosanrossore.it/ – Chiesa di San Piero (towards the sea); – Marina di Pisa and Tirrenia on the sea; – Certosa di Pisa (located in Calci, 5 km. out of the city); > Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome.

The best connection between Pisa area and Florence is the rail between Pisa Centrale and Firenze Santa Maria Novella (both in the center of the 2 cities); train info at http://www.fs-on-line.com/ > We look forward to your comments.

Eric, a lot of time ago I made also a site about my city; the URL is http://www.pisa.bbk.org , but it’s a lot of time I don’t update it; however you can find a lot of images there, so you can choose better your trips. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

Wonderful California, I went there 13 years ago ! Ciao

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Hi, > We were also thinking about buy an Italia Rail pass.  Have you used > the passes for train travel?

That depends on how much you want to travel and how much discount you will get with your rail pass. I’ve got a carta verde, which is for those under 26, and it gives me a 20% discount. But you have to travel at least 2000 or 3000 km to get your money’s worth. You’ll find more information on www.trenitalia.it. R

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Hi, > A car was being avoided solely because we’ve heard some rumors about > aggressive drivers in Italy.  What were your experiences "on the > road"?

Although your question was directed at the other poster, I’ll take the liberty to answer, too. Driving in Italy is not too difficult. As long as you stay on the highways. there’s nothing to worry at all. Cities are a different matter. As a general rule of thumb, the farther south you get, the less "relaxed" the driving will become, i.e. the less will drivers obey the rules. It is not uncommon in Rome or Napoli to drive across a junction when the light’s red. However, Tuscany and even Florence are still quite manageable. At least I survived Florence and Pisa without any scratch, although I did have to draw on my driving experience from my times as a semi-professional driver in Stuttgart, Germany. The name of which brings me to the last point I’d like to add: although I’ve emphasised that it is manageable, do expect driving to be wilder than in, say, the UK, Germany or the USA. What seems to be "aggressive" to the foreigner is really just "wild". I remember that time when I was looking for a parking lot in downtown Florence, in one of those narrow, narrow streets, which was a one-way (important for this story!). My girlfriend saw it first and shouted "left", so I pulled over. I earned an instant honking from the Vespa scooter that I just had almost crashed into. It had been on my *left* side, just in the blind spot. The driver, his 12year-old daughter sitting behind him, pulled over to our right side, so my girlfriend opened the window. He must have had noticed our foreign plate, because he threw at us, in a broken English: "Arrr you crazzy?" I was so jiggered, I just stumbled "No". He said "Good",  and left us there. In hindsight, I know it was his fault, because what the heck was he doing in my blind spot, on the left side, in a one-way? But there you are… Italy. Ahhhhh. Have fun on your trip, Ralph

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Two nice rail circle trips for mountain scenery are: Pisa/Lucca/Aulla/Pisa and Pisa/Pistoia/Porretto/Bologna/Firenzie/Pisa.  AFAIR the Lucca/Aulla and Pistoia/Porretto portions are second class trains only, i.e. ‘R’ trains. — wf. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

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> Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

You can buy train tickets and get timetable information at the automatic ticket machines in the major stations. They have an English language option.

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> We stayed one night at the Jolly Cavalieri and one night at the > D’Azeglio.  One does not get a lot for the cost of hotel in Pisa. > Both were adequate, but I assume all other hotels will offer similar > value.  The Jolly(most expensive) was the only hotel with rooms for > one of the nights.  The place fills up with Florence overflow.

I stayed at the Jolly Cavalieri in Pisa last year and can’t really recommend it: both expensive and unfriendly by Italian standards, poorly ventilated rooms, a bit of a tedious walk to the interesting part of Pisa on the other side of the river. Its only saving grace is that it is directly opposite the railway station, so for anyone arriving dog-tired with heavy luggage (as I did) it’s a welcome sight.

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Thank you – all the various tips are much appreciated and, I’m sure, will make our trip to Italy a very enjoyable one.

> Two nice rail circle trips for mountain scenery are: > Pisa/Lucca/Aulla/Pisa and Pisa/Pistoia/Porretto/Bologna/Firenzie/Pisa. >  AFAIR the Lucca/Aulla and Pistoia/Porretto portions are second class > trains only, i.e. ‘R’ trains. > — > wf.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Any information on rail travel in Italy would also be appreciated – > we’ll be > taking day trips by train to cities that are a few hours by rail from > Florence and Rome. > We look forward to your comments. > Eric and Sandy > Hercules, California

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 (There was a passport control booth > for the swiss flights and just a walk through for the Schewan, or however > you spell it).

I think you tried to spell "Schengen". Sjoerd

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>  (There was a passport control booth > for the swiss flights and just a walk through for the Schewan, or however > you spell it). > I think you tried to spell "Schengen".

Just be grateful that I didn’t try to pronounce it !

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> – And I won’t tell you about the incident where I was asked to leave the > airport by some uniformed German guy. > Oh, do!  Please?

Seeing as there is such a high demand for the story, here goes: Unfortunately, as is often the case, the headline is far more interesting than the story. Having finished the business trip early I checked in about 3.5 hours before the flight, I had a little wander around CGN which is a very boring place and decided to go down to the gate area to read/snooze a little. I went down and there were four flights due to leave within about 20 minutes of each other, it was fun watching so many people go into the wrong gate area and back out again (can’t passengers read) (There was a passport control booth for the swiss flights and just a walk through for the Schewan, or however you spell it). Once those flights had departed I was the only one left in the gate area, and the guy from the passport booth came up and asked which flight I was on, he looked confused when I said I was going to London untill I showed him the boarding card for a flight in about 2 hours time. He then told me the area was closed and asked me to go back upstairs, the security guy at the top of the stairs gave me a strange look so I had to explain what had happened. See I told you it wasn’t that interesting

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LHR-CGN-LHR For those who don’t remember my earlier posts, I needed to get to CGN and wanted to avoid using BA. The options appeared to be LH or BD. So I went to the LH web site and it cleared stated ‘This flight will be operated by a partner airline’. So looking forward to my first BD experiance I went ahead and booked with BD not noticing untill I had entered my CC details the note that said Airline ‘Lufthansa German Airline’. Anyway – the mystery was solved when on looking at my boarding card obtained from the Lufthansa desk at LHR T2 it stated this flight is operated by CITYLINE (which is wholly owned by Lufthansa and the crew and plane were in LH colours – although the plane on the return had funny pictures of European sights – Leaning tower of Pisa, Little Mermaind etc on the body). Nothing much to report except: – The Canadair 100 woke me up with a shock in both directions when they lowered the wheels – it was a really loud clunk. – I had a little chuckle to myself on the departure return as I noticed that the BA flight I had so carefully avoided was delayed by at least 1 hour. – I was pleased with the 2,000 miles and the 3,000 bonus miles I got instead of the 250 I would have got with BA – And I won’t tell you about the incident where I was asked to leave the airport by some uniformed German guy.

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> – And I won’t tell you about the incident where I was asked to leave the > airport by some uniformed German guy.

Verrry interesting!

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> – And I won’t tell you about the incident where I was asked to leave the > airport by some uniformed German guy.

Oh, do!  Please?

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> Thank you, everyone for the replies…I kind of figured the experts who knew > a lot about Italy would tell me I was expecting too much! > So I think Italy should definitely be more than one trip.

One more thing – if you really do mean the end of July, Rome will be very hot. Personally, I don’t think Rome need be regarded as compulsory on a first trip. Whatever you do, enjoy it – it’s a great country. Regards Jonathan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you, everyone for the replies…I kind of figured the experts who >knew > a lot about Italy would tell me I was expecting too much! > So I think Italy should definitely be more than one trip. >One more thing – if you really do mean the end of July, Rome will be very >hot. Personally, I don’t think Rome need be regarded as compulsory on a >first trip. >Whatever you do, enjoy it – it’s a great country. >Regards >Jonathan

I personally would consider NAPLES as the most Italian city and would be compulsory for my first visit. The food, the life, the streets, the music, the islands of Ischia and Capri, the Vesuvio etc., and it is not too touristy. The weather…well, if it is the way it was last summer, take some jumpers and certainly rain protection along. In normal summers, Naples has quite high temperatures, but is certainly more pleasant than tje US Midwest (Colorado, New Mexico etc.). And there is always some delicious Gelati to cool the minds. Richard ->Posted by Ozum (http://ozinsight.com/) ->All-in-one yEnc newsreader, scanner and freeware autoposter.

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> > I love this site — but these people have small children on this trip — > I doubt that they would be permitted, but even if they were, it isn’t > the sort of thing to drag a pre schooler or first grader through. > Which of the many sites I mentioned might not allow small children? I > can’t think of any one of them that might not.

I was under the impression that the Vatican archeological tour was limited to adults — perhaps not — it would still be a fairly bad idea to have small children on it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > You can see that there is plenty to keep you busy in Rome for more than > > a week! You and the children might also like to see the ancient Roman > > port city of Ostia, a short train ride from Rome. St. Augustine arrived > > at this port and his mother (St. Monica) died here of malaria. The city > > is very well preserved and might be very fascinating for the children. > > It gives a very good idea of what daily life was like in ancient Rome. > > Be sure to buy a good guide to Ostia Antica before you arrive, as the > > site isn’t very well marked, and you can’t buy a good guide book at the > > entrance. > in the blazing sun in July? > I’ve visited Ostia Antica four times, twice in the middle of summer. > Unlike Pompeii, Ostia has quite a bit of shade, and it’s also very near > the sea. It wasn’t too hot on either of my summer visits, even though > one of them was at a time when the Roman Forum nearly made me faint with > the heat. > Barbara

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but > figured I’d give it a try anyway… > We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very > excited > since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! > We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for > April/Easter > break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I > was > thinking of either June or July 4th week. > We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) > leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days. > It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7. > Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days > there with an excursion to Assisi. > Give some thought to hiring a driver in Rome. It is not cheap but it will > make three days seem like six. Public transportation, at least when  was > there last, is not nearly as convenient as other cities the same size. A few > years ago we hired a driver for three days and it was worth every penny.

I like the idea. Approximately how much did you end up paying? Was this driver available for the entire three days? Unlimited miles? How can can one go about finding a reputable driver? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does anyone know how far Campobasso > would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d > love to visit there if possible. > Then my husband would like to include Venice. > I have flown to Venice from Rome just to see the city from the air. That > might be too expensive with kids.  We then  picked up a rental car in Venice > and took a week to drive back to Rome.  Needed more time but saw a lot. > I’d love to include Pisa and > Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!) > Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would > be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with > the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then > Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it > all or could we combine the train with a car? > The drive back from Venice to Rome is fun and allows short visits to Pisa > and Sienna. I’ll be doing it again in April. Be alert for street crime in > Rome. > Michael Kennedy

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>could you tell me if this hotel’s rooms could fit 4 people (2 adults/2 >children)

Our room was a "regular room" for two adults – the web site shows triple and small suite rooms that may be suitable.  I suggest you e-mail the hotel directly with your question..  We mainly enjoyed the ambiance of the place – it is a former convent – nice garden and the main lounge is almost like the inside of a church.  I looked in my records and we paid 260,000 lira in 1999 – about $130.  The web site shows the current rate to be 80 to 200 euro ($86 to $216). Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We (two couples – age early 60’s) took a vacation in Italy in > September 1999.  We spent 5 nights in Rome, 4 nights in Florence and 3 > nights in Venice.  We had all visited Rome before but not Florence or > Venice.  We flew into Rome, took the train to Florence, train to > Venice then flew home (via London) from Venice.  I had worked in Italy > a few months in the 80’s and our group is all experienced travelers. > We had a delightful time – as most posters said – the time is too > short but we managed one day side trips to Frascati (via train from > Rome) and Pisa (via train from Florence).  We agree that Venice woul;d > be delightful.  I would highly recommend the hotel we stayed in in > Venice.  It is near the train station and convenient to the water > taxis.  See www.abbaziahotel.com > I think early September is the best time to visit europe. but spring > is a close second.  As suggested – avoid the July/August time at all > costs. > Regards, > Bill

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> I love this site — but these people have small children on this trip — > I doubt that they would be permitted, but even if they were, it isn’t > the sort of thing to drag a pre schooler or first grader through.

Which of the many sites I mentioned might not allow small children? I can’t think of any one of them that might not. > You can see that there is plenty to keep you busy in Rome for more than > a week! You and the children might also like to see the ancient Roman > port city of Ostia, a short train ride from Rome. St. Augustine arrived > at this port and his mother (St. Monica) died here of malaria. The city > is very well preserved and might be very fascinating for the children. > It gives a very good idea of what daily life was like in ancient Rome. > Be sure to buy a good guide to Ostia Antica before you arrive, as the > site isn’t very well marked, and you can’t buy a good guide book at the > entrance. > in the blazing sun in July?

I’ve visited Ostia Antica four times, twice in the middle of summer. Unlike Pompeii, Ostia has quite a bit of shade, and it’s also very near the sea. It wasn’t too hot on either of my summer visits, even though one of them was at a time when the Roman Forum nearly made me faint with the heat. Barbara

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could you tell me if this hotel’s rooms could fit 4 people (2 adults/2 children)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We (two couples – age early 60’s) took a vacation in Italy in > September 1999.  We spent 5 nights in Rome, 4 nights in Florence and 3 > nights in Venice.  We had all visited Rome before but not Florence or > Venice.  We flew into Rome, took the train to Florence, train to > Venice then flew home (via London) from Venice.  I had worked in Italy > a few months in the 80’s and our group is all experienced travelers. > We had a delightful time – as most posters said – the time is too > short but we managed one day side trips to Frascati (via train from > Rome) and Pisa (via train from Florence).  We agree that Venice woul;d > be delightful.  I would highly recommend the hotel we stayed in in > Venice.  It is near the train station and convenient to the water > taxis.  See www.abbaziahotel.com > I think early September is the best time to visit europe. but spring > is a close second.  As suggested – avoid the July/August time at all > costs. > Regards, > Bill >this is why I came here and posted.  To hear from the experts. >I see now that there’s just too much I want to see and do to fit it all in >one trip.  I don’t think I realized how far apart each place was from the >other… >We are Catholic and it was important to us to see religious places in Rome, >Assisi, and Turin. >Then it was important to me to visit Campobasso to see my Great Grandparents >hometown. >I’d also like to see the Leaning Tower of Pisa someday as well. >I realize now it’s impossible in 8 days. >But now my delema is what to cut out and what to do? >How can I split this trip in half (and go again someday for the other half?) >I was looking at it as a once in a lifetime trip but I guess I’ll have to >come again! >Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe then a day >trip to Campobasso? >Leave the rest for another trip? >Any more thoughts?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe then a day > trip to Campobasso? > That sounds feasible, especially if you leave from Venice instead of > returning to Rome. I would spend at least  from Saturday through > Wednesday in Rome and go to Venice on Thursday. That way you could take > a day trip to Campobasso on Monday or Tuesday and still have a day or > two to recuperate before another long trip. Campobasso is not a big > tourist mecca, and you’ll have little time to spend there, but the train > ride itself should be very interesting, and I agree with others that it > would be great for your children to see where their ancestors came from. > As I said in another post, there are not many through trains to > Campobasso, and it’s important to find one of them because the others > take a long time. > If religious sites are important to you, you should try to see at least > one of the catacombs in Rome. This will take a good half day, as they > are a bit out of the city. They have English-speaking guides. I would > also strongly recommend that you reserve a tour of the archeological > site underneath the Vatican. Someone posted the other day on this > newsgroup how to contact them by email to reserve the tour. This also > has English speaking guides; when you reserve the tour, make sure to > mention that you want an English language tour. This, combined with a > visit to St. Peter’s Basilica, will take the better part of a day. When > you visit the Roman forum, try to find the ancient Roman prison where it > is presumed that both St. Peter and St. Paul were imprisoned. There’s no > proof that they were held there, but in their time it was the only > prison in Rome, so there’s a good possibility. Then there are many, many > churches in Rome worth seeing, some of which date from the very early > days of Christianity. St. Clement’s, for example, is built over a very > early church, and this early church is built over a pagan temple. You > can visit all three. I also like St. Paul’s Basilica, which many > tourists don’t visit. It has a very nice cloister.

I love this site — but these people have small children on this trip — I doubt that they would be permitted, but even if they were, it isn’t the sort of thing to drag a pre schooler or first grader through. A better Rome excursion might be Villa d’Este and Villa Adriana — where kids can roam and would enjoy the weird fountains — and it would be a cool sojourn in July [although I think they should really do this in April or May if possible. > You can see that there is plenty to keep you busy in Rome for more than > a week! You and the children might also like to see the ancient Roman > port city of Ostia, a short train ride from Rome. St. Augustine arrived > at this port and his mother (St. Monica) died here of malaria. The city > is very well preserved and might be very fascinating for the children. > It gives a very good idea of what daily life was like in ancient Rome. > Be sure to buy a good guide to Ostia Antica before you arrive, as the > site isn't very well marked, and you can't buy a good guide book at the > entrance.

in the blazing sun in July? - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> If you were thinking of going to Turin to see the Shroud, I don't think > it can be viewed except on very special occasions (such as the Jubilee). > And when there is one of these occasions, it's still not easy to get in > to see it. I think you have to make reservations and it's not easy. My > husband saw it about 6 or 7 years ago. > Barbara

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> Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe then a day > trip to Campobasso?

That sounds feasible, especially if you leave from Venice instead of returning to Rome. I would spend at least  from Saturday through Wednesday in Rome and go to Venice on Thursday. That way you could take a day trip to Campobasso on Monday or Tuesday and still have a day or two to recuperate before another long trip. Campobasso is not a big tourist mecca, and you'll have little time to spend there, but the train ride itself should be very interesting, and I agree with others that it would be great for your children to see where their ancestors came from. As I said in another post, there are not many through trains to Campobasso, and it's important to find one of them because the others take a long time. If religious sites are important to you, you should try to see at least one of the catacombs in Rome. This will take a good half day, as they are a bit out of the city. They have English-speaking guides. I would also strongly recommend that you reserve a tour of the archeological site underneath the Vatican. Someone posted the other day on this newsgroup how to contact them by email to reserve the tour. This also has English speaking guides; when you reserve the tour, make sure to mention that you want an English language tour. This, combined with a visit to St. Peter's Basilica, will take the better part of a day. When you visit the Roman forum, try to find the ancient Roman prison where it is presumed that both St. Peter and St. Paul were imprisoned. There's no proof that they were held there, but in their time it was the only prison in Rome, so there's a good possibility. Then there are many, many churches in Rome worth seeing, some of which date from the very early days of Christianity. St. Clement's, for example, is built over a very early church, and this early church is built over a pagan temple. You can visit all three. I also like St. Paul's Basilica, which many tourists don't visit. It has a very nice cloister. You can see that there is plenty to keep you busy in Rome for more than a week! You and the children might also like to see the ancient Roman port city of Ostia, a short train ride from Rome. St. Augustine arrived at this port and his mother (St. Monica) died here of malaria. The city is very well preserved and might be very fascinating for the children. It gives a very good idea of what daily life was like in ancient Rome. Be sure to buy a good guide to Ostia Antica before you arrive, as the site isn't very well marked, and you can't buy a good guide book at the entrance. If you were thinking of going to Turin to see the Shroud, I don't think it can be viewed except on very special occasions (such as the Jubilee). And when there is one of these occasions, it's still not easy to get in to see it. I think you have to make reservations and it's not easy. My husband saw it about 6 or 7 years ago. Barbara

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -> I realize now it's impossible in 8 days. > But now my delema is what to cut out and what to do? > How can I split this trip in half (and go again someday for the > other > half?) > I was looking at it as a once in a lifetime trip but I guess > I'll > have to come again! > Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe > then a > day trip to Campobasso? > I wouldn't try to do any more than that. Even splitting your 8 > days between Rome and Venice will just let you see the highlights > of each.

yes --- Rome really needs 5 nights minimum IMHO -- of course you work with what you have -- and so splitting between the two works -- I would do at least 4 nights in Rome, 3 in Venice

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We (two couples - age early 60's) took a vacation in Italy in September 1999.  We spent 5 nights in Rome, 4 nights in Florence and 3 nights in Venice.  We had all visited Rome before but not Florence or Venice.  We flew into Rome, took the train to Florence, train to Venice then flew home (via London) from Venice.  I had worked in Italy a few months in the 80's and our group is all experienced travelers. We had a delightful time - as most posters said - the time is too short but we managed one day side trips to Frascati (via train from Rome) and Pisa (via train from Florence).  We agree that Venice woul;d be delightful.  I would highly recommend the hotel we stayed in in Venice.  It is near the train station and convenient to the water taxis.  See www.abbaziahotel.com I think early September is the best time to visit europe. but spring is a close second.  As suggested - avoid the July/August time at all costs. Regards, Bill - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text ->this is why I came here and posted.  To hear from the experts. >I see now that there's just too much I want to see and do to fit it all in >one trip.  I don't think I realized how far apart each place was from the >other... >We are Catholic and it was important to us to see religious places in Rome, >Assisi, and Turin. >Then it was important to me to visit Campobasso to see my Great Grandparents >hometown. >I'd also like to see the Leaning Tower of Pisa someday as well. >I realize now it's impossible in 8 days. >But now my delema is what to cut out and what to do? >How can I split this trip in half (and go again someday for the other half?) >I was looking at it as a once in a lifetime trip but I guess I'll have to >come again! >Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe then a day >trip to Campobasso? >Leave the rest for another trip? >Any more thoughts?

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this is why I came here and posted.  To hear from the experts. I see now that there's just too much I want to see and do to fit it all in one trip.  I don't think I realized how far apart each place was from the other... We are Catholic and it was important to us to see religious places in Rome, Assisi, and Turin. Then it was important to me to visit Campobasso to see my Great Grandparents hometown. I'd also like to see the Leaning Tower of Pisa someday as well. I realize now it's impossible in 8 days. But now my delema is what to cut out and what to do? How can I split this trip in half (and go again someday for the other half?) I was looking at it as a once in a lifetime trip but I guess I'll have to come again! Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe then a day trip to Campobasso? Leave the rest for another trip? Any more thoughts?

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > I realize now it's impossible in 8 days. > But now my delema is what to cut out and what to do? > How can I split this trip in half (and go again someday for the other > half?) > I was looking at it as a once in a lifetime trip but I guess I'll > have to come again! > Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe then a > day trip to Campobasso?

I wouldn't try to do any more than that. Even splitting your 8 days between Rome and Venice will just let you see the highlights of each. -- Ken Blake Please reply to the newsgroup

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> Can I get a car and/or train once there or must I book all of this > beforehand?

Rental cars are best booked from the US. Train tickets are best bought in country. A note about Assisi. The train station is at some distance from the historic center. You'd have to take a bus or taxi. There are several parking lots on the outskirts of the Centro Storico.  The town's on a hill. I think Assisi might be not so interesting for small children. Any experience out there? Marianne

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> After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but > figured I'd give it a try anyway... > We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I'm very excited > since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! > We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for April/Easter > break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I was > thinking of either June or July 4th week. > We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) > leaving the following Sunday, so that's 8 days.

8 days is a very short time for the amount of things you would like to see. > It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7.

Travelling around from place to place every day or so may be stressful on such young children. > Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days > there with an excursion to Assisi.  Does anyone know how far Campobasso > would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I'd > love to visit there if possible. > Then my husband would like to include Venice.  I'd love to include Pisa and > Turin (and Portofino but I know I'm asking too much!)

Rome is certainly worth seeing, but it's very hard to do it justice on a three-day visit, let alone also include a side trip to Assisi, which would take a whole day. There are a few direct trains from Rome to Campobasso, which take a little over 3 hours to get there, but they are not very frequent. If you let around 9 in the morning, you would get there around noon, and then you could leave at 4:30 to be back in Rome around 7:30. This, as you can see, would consume a whole day, and you wouldn't see much of Campobasso. The excursion to Assisi takes a little over 2 hours and usually requires a change of train in Foligno. This is maybe a little more feasible than Campobasso; however, I don't know if the children would get much out of this excursion. Assisi is a very beautiful town. If you want to go there as a religious pilgrimage, then Assisi is hard to beat, and if you want to see the world-famous art in the Basilica, then Assisi is a must, but if you just want to see a beautiful medieval town there are a few that are a lot closer to Rome. Orvieto, for example, is just under an hour from Rome. Venice would probably be a big hit with the children because of the canals and gondolas, but again, fitting both Rome and Venice into such a short trip would be very tiring. It takes about 5 hours by train from Rome to get to Venice. > Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would > be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with > the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then > Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it > all or could we combine the train with a car?

I don't know where you live in the US, but your plans are a bit like this: I want to arrive in Washington DC (jet-lagged and sleep-deprived) on a Saturday, and stay there until Tuesday, with a side trip to Colonial Williamsburg and maybe also Roanoke Virginia. Then I want to see Boston and the Maine Coast, and end up in New York City, where I will fly home that Sunday. You wouldn't see much and would be very exhausted. I don't know why you want to see Pisa and Turin, but Turin especially is a long way from Rome. If you want to see the Leaning Tower, that's a long tiring drive or train ride just to see one thing. With regard to transportation, if you were mainly interested in visiting rural Italy, I would recommend a car, especially because of the children. However, you're mainly interested in seeing big cities where driving and parking are big problems, so I think the train would make more sense. I suggest one of the following: Plan on spending at least two weeks in Italy. You should still trim your itinerary a little, but you could maybe fit in a day trip to Assisi from Rome. Then you could spend a few days in Venice and maybe one other spot. If you really can only spare 8 days, then I would suggest two cities at most. Barbara

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > [snip] >Does anyone know how far Campobasso >would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d >love to visit there if possible. > [snip] > Sure. Do it. I’m sure your kids would like to know where their > great-great grandparents were from, too. > I did some research for you. In order to get driving directions (and, > therefore, distance), I had to go to Yahoo! Italia maps, so this is > all in Italian: > http://tinyurl.com/5p9b

You can do a route in English (and other languages) at www.mappy.com .

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Thank you, everyone for the replies…I kind of figured the experts who knew a lot about Italy would tell me I was expecting too much! So I think Italy should definitely be more than one trip. We have experienced jet lag, last April we went to Paris for 5 days.  Our daughters handled it better than we did! I do like the idea of staying in Rome for 5 days and then heading up to Venice via a train and leaving from there? I could do a trip out to Campobasso and maybe Assisi? Can I get a car and/or train once there or must I book all of this beforehand? Thank you again, very much for your insight!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > [snip] >Does anyone know how far Campobasso >would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d >love to visit there if possible. > [snip] > Sure. Do it. I’m sure your kids would like to know where their > great-great grandparents were from, too. > I did some research for you. In order to get driving directions (and, > therefore, distance), I had to go to Yahoo! Italia maps, so this is > all in Italian: > http://tinyurl.com/5p9b > Here’s the distance: > 228.0 Km > And the estimated driving time: > 2 hr 53 min > If you’re taking the train, evidently there’s a regional train that’s > direct and takes 3 hr 15 min: > http://www.fs-on-line.com/home/en/index.html > (I somewhat randomly picked July 4 at 10 A.M. as your departure time > from Roma Termini.) > I tried to look up various information in the viamichelin web site, > but it seems to be having technical difficulties. > Michael

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[snip] >Does anyone know how far Campobasso >would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d >love to visit there if possible.

[snip] Sure. Do it. I’m sure your kids would like to know where their great-great grandparents were from, too. I did some research for you. In order to get driving directions (and, therefore, distance), I had to go to Yahoo! Italia maps, so this is all in Italian: http://tinyurl.com/5p9b Here’s the distance: 228.0 Km And the estimated driving time: 2 hr 53 min If you’re taking the train, evidently there’s a regional train that’s direct and takes 3 hr 15 min: http://www.fs-on-line.com/home/en/index.html (I somewhat randomly picked July 4 at 10 A.M. as your departure time from Roma Termini.) I tried to look up various information in the viamichelin web site, but it seems to be having technical difficulties. Michael

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Go in May or early June to avoid the main Italian vacation season. In July/August everything is just far more crowded and costly since most of Europe (incl Italians) are on holiday. If your trip revolves around Rome, I’d use it as a base and do coach trips to Naples, Pompeii, Mt Vesuvius and possibly a coach trip to Assisi (athough I’d rather visit Florence or Siena). If you only have 8 days, fly into Rome, spend a few days and then either take the train or (better still) fly to Venice. There is far too much to see in both these cities without trying to take on more and possibly dilute the experience as a result. Leave Tuscany and Assisi for another trip. In my opinion, Tuscany is the most beautiful part of Italy and has everything (history, culture, architecture) to make for an awesome Italian experience. Pisa, Florence and Siena are all within 100kms of each other so basing yourself in a villa in the Tuscan hills, with a car at your disposal will allow you to see and experience the area without rushing around. To give you an idea of what you are trying to attempt, we spent 7 weeks in Italy last year and that didn’t even include Rome (done previously)! Italy is the most beautiful and appealing country on earth to visit. You lucky things! — Posted via http://britishexpats.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but > figured I’d give it a try anyway… > We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very excited > since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! > We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for April/Easter > break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I was > thinking of either June or July 4th week. > We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) > leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days. > It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7. > Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days > there with an excursion to Assisi.

Give some thought to hiring a driver in Rome. It is not cheap but it will make three days seem like six. Public transportation, at least when  was there last, is not nearly as convenient as other cities the same size. A few years ago we hired a driver for three days and it was worth every penny. > Does anyone know how far Campobasso > would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d > love to visit there if possible. > Then my husband would like to include Venice.

I have flown to Venice from Rome just to see the city from the air. That might be too expensive with kids.  We then  picked up a rental car in Venice and took a week to drive back to Rome.  Needed more time but saw a lot. > I’d love to include Pisa and > Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!) > Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would > be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with > the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then > Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it > all or could we combine the train with a car?

The drive back from Venice to Rome is fun and allows short visits to Pisa and Sienna. I’ll be doing it again in April. Be alert for street crime in Rome. Michael Kennedy

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> Things to consider: >     Jet lag. Depending on how long your flight is, jet lag can last >     for > several days. It helps to have a hotel in a central location for

Jet lag doesn’t bother me as much as it did the first few times. Reason for this is that though I am completely disoriented I am at least comforatble and sure of myself in my surroundings now. The first time I went to Europe I was two days in France and found myself almost crying on finding a Spanish radio station! French and France was so foreign. Now I find myself wishing I were there. Italy is not different. The first few days your head will be spining from the culture shock on top of jet lag. Go back and it is "just" jet lag and much easier to deal with. (we also swear by melatonin)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but > figured I’d give it a try anyway… > We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very excited > since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! > We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for April/Easter > break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I was > thinking of either June or July 4th week. > We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) > leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days. > It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7. > Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days > there with an excursion to Assisi.  Does anyone know how far Campobasso > would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d > love to visit there if possible. > Then my husband would like to include Venice.  I’d love to include Pisa and > Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!) > Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would > be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with > the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then > Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it > all or could we combine the train with a car?

Everybody will tell you you’re planning to do too much. And they’re right. You could spend all 8 days in Rome with a couple of excursions. Or you could spend 5 days in Rome (including your excursion to Campobasso), take the train to Venice, spend 3 days there and fly out of Venice. The consensus is kids loveVenice. Assisi is between Rome and Venice, but I’d save it for another trip. Things to consider:     Jet lag. Depending on how long your flight is, jet lag can last for several days. It helps to have a hotel in a central location for crashing. (Don’t know how young children respond to jet lag.)     Open jaws. For this short a trip, fly into one place and out of another.     Apartment. With young children, renting an apartment makes life easier for both the parents and the kids. Marianne

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but > figured I’d give it a try anyway… > We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very excited > since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! > We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for April/Easter > break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I was > thinking of either June or July 4th week. > We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) > leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days. > It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7. > Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days > there with an excursion to Assisi.  Does anyone know how far Campobasso > would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d > love to visit there if possible. > Then my husband would like to include Venice.  I’d love to include Pisa and > Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!) > Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would > be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with > the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then > Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it > all or could we combine the train with a car? > I know I’ve asked for a lot but I hope someone can help us out. > Should we only focus on one section of Italy this trip and plan another trip > someday (don’t know if that’s possible though). > Thanks in advance!

I spent 10 days in Rome this May with my kids, so I am biased about cramming in too much.  3 days with a side trip to Assisi [which I also love] is toooo much IMHO At  most — Rome and Venice and a sidetrip to Campobasso if possible.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but > figured I’d give it a try anyway… > We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very excited > since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! > We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for April/Easter > break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I was > thinking of either June or July 4th week. > We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) > leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days. > It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7. > Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days > there with an excursion to Assisi.  Does anyone know how far Campobasso > would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d > love to visit there if possible. > Then my husband would like to include Venice.  I’d love to include Pisa and > Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!) > Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would > be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with > the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then > Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it > all or could we combine the train with a car? > I know I’ve asked for a lot but I hope someone can help us out. > Should we only focus on one section of Italy this trip and plan another trip > someday (don’t know if that’s possible though). > Thanks in advance!

If at all possible early april/may rather than late june/july

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After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but figured I’d give it a try anyway… We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very excited since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for April/Easter break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I was thinking of either June or July 4th week. We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days. It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7. Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days there with an excursion to Assisi.  Does anyone know how far Campobasso would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d love to visit there if possible. Then my husband would like to include Venice.  I’d love to include Pisa and Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!) Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it all or could we combine the train with a car? I know I’ve asked for a lot but I hope someone can help us out. Should we only focus on one section of Italy this trip and plan another trip someday (don’t know if that’s possible though). Thanks in advance!

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After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but figured I’d give it a try anyway… We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very excited since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for April/Easter break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I was thinking of either June or July 4th week. We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days. It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7. Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days there with an excursion to Assisi.  Does anyone know how far Campobasso would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d love to visit there if possible. Then my husband would like to include Venice.  I’d love to include Pisa and Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!) Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it all or could we combine the train with a car? I know I’ve asked for a lot but I hope someone can help us out. Should we only focus on one section of Italy this trip and plan another trip someday (don’t know if that’s possible though). Thanks in advance!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but > figured I’d give it a try anyway… > We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very excited > since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! > We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for April/Easter > break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I was > thinking of either June or July 4th week. > We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) > leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days. > It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7. > Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days > there with an excursion to Assisi.  Does anyone know how far Campobasso > would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d > love to visit there if possible. > Then my husband would like to include Venice.  I’d love to include Pisa and > Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!) > Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would > be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with > the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then > Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it > all or could we combine the train with a car? > I know I’ve asked for a lot but I hope someone can help us out. > Should we only focus on one section of Italy this trip and plan another trip > someday (don’t know if that’s possible though). > Thanks in advance!

I spent 10 days in Rome this May with my kids, so I am biased about cramming in too much.  3 days with a side trip to Assisi [which I also love] is toooo much IMHO At  most — Rome and Venice and a sidetrip to Campobasso if possible.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but > figured I’d give it a try anyway… > We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very excited > since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! > We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for April/Easter > break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I was > thinking of either June or July 4th week. > We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) > leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days. > It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7. > Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days > there with an excursion to Assisi.  Does anyone know how far Campobasso > would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d > love to visit there if possible. > Then my husband would like to include Venice.  I’d love to include Pisa and > Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!) > Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would > be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with > the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then > Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it > all or could we combine the train with a car? > I know I’ve asked for a lot but I hope someone can help us out. > Should we only focus on one section of Italy this trip and plan another trip > someday (don’t know if that’s possible though). > Thanks in advance!

If at all possible early april/may rather than late june/july

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but > figured I’d give it a try anyway… > We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very excited > since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! > We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for April/Easter > break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I was > thinking of either June or July 4th week. > We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) > leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days. > It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7. > Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days > there with an excursion to Assisi.  Does anyone know how far Campobasso > would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d > love to visit there if possible. > Then my husband would like to include Venice.  I’d love to include Pisa and > Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!) > Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would > be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with > the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then > Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it > all or could we combine the train with a car?

Everybody will tell you you’re planning to do too much. And they’re right. You could spend all 8 days in Rome with a couple of excursions. Or you could spend 5 days in Rome (including your excursion to Campobasso), take the train to Venice, spend 3 days there and fly out of Venice. The consensus is kids loveVenice. Assisi is between Rome and Venice, but I’d save it for another trip. Things to consider:     Jet lag. Depending on how long your flight is, jet lag can last for several days. It helps to have a hotel in a central location for crashing. (Don’t know how young children respond to jet lag.)     Open jaws. For this short a trip, fly into one place and out of another.     Apartment. With young children, renting an apartment makes life easier for both the parents and the kids. Marianne

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> Things to consider: >     Jet lag. Depending on how long your flight is, jet lag can last >     for > several days. It helps to have a hotel in a central location for

Jet lag doesn’t bother me as much as it did the first few times. Reason for this is that though I am completely disoriented I am at least comforatble and sure of myself in my surroundings now. The first time I went to Europe I was two days in France and found myself almost crying on finding a Spanish radio station! French and France was so foreign. Now I find myself wishing I were there. Italy is not different. The first few days your head will be spining from the culture shock on top of jet lag. Go back and it is "just" jet lag and much easier to deal with. (we also swear by melatonin)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but > figured I’d give it a try anyway… > We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very excited > since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! > We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for April/Easter > break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I was > thinking of either June or July 4th week. > We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) > leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days. > It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7. > Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days > there with an excursion to Assisi.

Give some thought to hiring a driver in Rome. It is not cheap but it will make three days seem like six. Public transportation, at least when  was there last, is not nearly as convenient as other cities the same size. A few years ago we hired a driver for three days and it was worth every penny. > Does anyone know how far Campobasso > would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d > love to visit there if possible. > Then my husband would like to include Venice.

I have flown to Venice from Rome just to see the city from the air. That might be too expensive with kids.  We then  picked up a rental car in Venice and took a week to drive back to Rome.  Needed more time but saw a lot. > I’d love to include Pisa and > Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!) > Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would > be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with > the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then > Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it > all or could we combine the train with a car?

The drive back from Venice to Rome is fun and allows short visits to Pisa and Sienna. I’ll be doing it again in April. Be alert for street crime in Rome. Michael Kennedy

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[snip] >Does anyone know how far Campobasso >would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d >love to visit there if possible.

[snip] Sure. Do it. I’m sure your kids would like to know where their great-great grandparents were from, too. I did some research for you. In order to get driving directions (and, therefore, distance), I had to go to Yahoo! Italia maps, so this is all in Italian: http://tinyurl.com/5p9b Here’s the distance: 228.0 Km And the estimated driving time: 2 hr 53 min If you’re taking the train, evidently there’s a regional train that’s direct and takes 3 hr 15 min: http://www.fs-on-line.com/home/en/index.html (I somewhat randomly picked July 4 at 10 A.M. as your departure time from Roma Termini.) I tried to look up various information in the viamichelin web site, but it seems to be having technical difficulties. Michael

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Go in May or early June to avoid the main Italian vacation season. In July/August everything is just far more crowded and costly since most of Europe (incl Italians) are on holiday. If your trip revolves around Rome, I’d use it as a base and do coach trips to Naples, Pompeii, Mt Vesuvius and possibly a coach trip to Assisi (athough I’d rather visit Florence or Siena). If you only have 8 days, fly into Rome, spend a few days and then either take the train or (better still) fly to Venice. There is far too much to see in both these cities without trying to take on more and possibly dilute the experience as a result. Leave Tuscany and Assisi for another trip. In my opinion, Tuscany is the most beautiful part of Italy and has everything (history, culture, architecture) to make for an awesome Italian experience. Pisa, Florence and Siena are all within 100kms of each other so basing yourself in a villa in the Tuscan hills, with a car at your disposal will allow you to see and experience the area without rushing around. To give you an idea of what you are trying to attempt, we spent 7 weeks in Italy last year and that didn’t even include Rome (done previously)! Italy is the most beautiful and appealing country on earth to visit. You lucky things! — Posted via http://britishexpats.com

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Thank you, everyone for the replies…I kind of figured the experts who knew a lot about Italy would tell me I was expecting too much! So I think Italy should definitely be more than one trip. We have experienced jet lag, last April we went to Paris for 5 days.  Our daughters handled it better than we did! I do like the idea of staying in Rome for 5 days and then heading up to Venice via a train and leaving from there? I could do a trip out to Campobasso and maybe Assisi? Can I get a car and/or train once there or must I book all of this beforehand? Thank you again, very much for your insight!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > [snip] >Does anyone know how far Campobasso >would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d >love to visit there if possible. > [snip] > Sure. Do it. I’m sure your kids would like to know where their > great-great grandparents were from, too. > I did some research for you. In order to get driving directions (and, > therefore, distance), I had to go to Yahoo! Italia maps, so this is > all in Italian: > http://tinyurl.com/5p9b > Here’s the distance: > 228.0 Km > And the estimated driving time: > 2 hr 53 min > If you’re taking the train, evidently there’s a regional train that’s > direct and takes 3 hr 15 min: > http://www.fs-on-line.com/home/en/index.html > (I somewhat randomly picked July 4 at 10 A.M. as your departure time > from Roma Termini.) > I tried to look up various information in the viamichelin web site, > but it seems to be having technical difficulties. > Michael

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > [snip] >Does anyone know how far Campobasso >would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d >love to visit there if possible. > [snip] > Sure. Do it. I’m sure your kids would like to know where their > great-great grandparents were from, too. > I did some research for you. In order to get driving directions (and, > therefore, distance), I had to go to Yahoo! Italia maps, so this is > all in Italian: > http://tinyurl.com/5p9b

You can do a route in English (and other languages) at www.mappy.com .

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> Thank you, everyone for the replies…I kind of figured the experts who knew > a lot about Italy would tell me I was expecting too much! > So I think Italy should definitely be more than one trip.

One more thing – if you really do mean the end of July, Rome will be very hot. Personally, I don’t think Rome need be regarded as compulsory on a first trip. Whatever you do, enjoy it – it’s a great country. Regards Jonathan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you, everyone for the replies…I kind of figured the experts who >knew > a lot about Italy would tell me I was expecting too much! > So I think Italy should definitely be more than one trip. >One more thing – if you really do mean the end of July, Rome will be very >hot. Personally, I don’t think Rome need be regarded as compulsory on a >first trip. >Whatever you do, enjoy it – it’s a great country. >Regards >Jonathan

I personally would consider NAPLES as the most Italian city and would be compulsory for my first visit. The food, the life, the streets, the music, the islands of Ischia and Capri, the Vesuvio etc., and it is not too touristy. The weather…well, if it is the way it was last summer, take some jumpers and certainly rain protection along. In normal summers, Naples has quite high temperatures, but is certainly more pleasant than tje US Midwest (Colorado, New Mexico etc.). And there is always some delicious Gelati to cool the minds. Richard ->Posted by Ozum (http://ozinsight.com/) ->All-in-one yEnc newsreader, scanner and freeware autoposter.

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> Can I get a car and/or train once there or must I book all of this > beforehand?

Rental cars are best booked from the US. Train tickets are best bought in country. A note about Assisi. The train station is at some distance from the historic center. You’d have to take a bus or taxi. There are several parking lots on the outskirts of the Centro Storico.  The town’s on a hill. I think Assisi might be not so interesting for small children. Any experience out there? Marianne

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> After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but > figured I’d give it a try anyway… > We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very excited > since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! > We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for April/Easter > break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I was > thinking of either June or July 4th week. > We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) > leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days.

8 days is a very short time for the amount of things you would like to see. > It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7.

Travelling around from place to place every day or so may be stressful on such young children. > Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days > there with an excursion to Assisi.  Does anyone know how far Campobasso > would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d > love to visit there if possible. > Then my husband would like to include Venice.  I’d love to include Pisa and > Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!)

Rome is certainly worth seeing, but it’s very hard to do it justice on a three-day visit, let alone also include a side trip to Assisi, which would take a whole day. There are a few direct trains from Rome to Campobasso, which take a little over 3 hours to get there, but they are not very frequent. If you let around 9 in the morning, you would get there around noon, and then you could leave at 4:30 to be back in Rome around 7:30. This, as you can see, would consume a whole day, and you wouldn’t see much of Campobasso. The excursion to Assisi takes a little over 2 hours and usually requires a change of train in Foligno. This is maybe a little more feasible than Campobasso; however, I don’t know if the children would get much out of this excursion. Assisi is a very beautiful town. If you want to go there as a religious pilgrimage, then Assisi is hard to beat, and if you want to see the world-famous art in the Basilica, then Assisi is a must, but if you just want to see a beautiful medieval town there are a few that are a lot closer to Rome. Orvieto, for example, is just under an hour from Rome. Venice would probably be a big hit with the children because of the canals and gondolas, but again, fitting both Rome and Venice into such a short trip would be very tiring. It takes about 5 hours by train from Rome to get to Venice. > Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would > be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with > the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then > Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it > all or could we combine the train with a car?

I don’t know where you live in the US, but your plans are a bit like this: I want to arrive in Washington DC (jet-lagged and sleep-deprived) on a Saturday, and stay there until Tuesday, with a side trip to Colonial Williamsburg and maybe also Roanoke Virginia. Then I want to see Boston and the Maine Coast, and end up in New York City, where I will fly home that Sunday. You wouldn’t see much and would be very exhausted. I don’t know why you want to see Pisa and Turin, but Turin especially is a long way from Rome. If you want to see the Leaning Tower, that’s a long tiring drive or train ride just to see one thing. With regard to transportation, if you were mainly interested in visiting rural Italy, I would recommend a car, especially because of the children. However, you’re mainly interested in seeing big cities where driving and parking are big problems, so I think the train would make more sense. I suggest one of the following: Plan on spending at least two weeks in Italy. You should still trim your itinerary a little, but you could maybe fit in a day trip to Assisi from Rome. Then you could spend a few days in Venice and maybe one other spot. If you really can only spare 8 days, then I would suggest two cities at most. Barbara

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this is why I came here and posted.  To hear from the experts. I see now that there’s just too much I want to see and do to fit it all in one trip.  I don’t think I realized how far apart each place was from the other… We are Catholic and it was important to us to see religious places in Rome, Assisi, and Turin. Then it was important to me to visit Campobasso to see my Great Grandparents hometown. I’d also like to see the Leaning Tower of Pisa someday as well. I realize now it’s impossible in 8 days. But now my delema is what to cut out and what to do? How can I split this trip in half (and go again someday for the other half?) I was looking at it as a once in a lifetime trip but I guess I’ll have to come again! Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe then a day trip to Campobasso? Leave the rest for another trip? Any more thoughts?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I realize now it’s impossible in 8 days. > But now my delema is what to cut out and what to do? > How can I split this trip in half (and go again someday for the other > half?) > I was looking at it as a once in a lifetime trip but I guess I’ll > have to come again! > Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe then a > day trip to Campobasso?

I wouldn’t try to do any more than that. Even splitting your 8 days between Rome and Venice will just let you see the highlights of each. — Ken Blake Please reply to the newsgroup

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I realize now it’s impossible in 8 days. > But now my delema is what to cut out and what to do? > How can I split this trip in half (and go again someday for the > other > half?) > I was looking at it as a once in a lifetime trip but I guess > I’ll > have to come again! > Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe > then a > day trip to Campobasso? > I wouldn’t try to do any more than that. Even splitting your 8 > days between Rome and Venice will just let you see the highlights > of each.

yes — Rome really needs 5 nights minimum IMHO — of course you work with what you have — and so splitting between the two works — I would do at least 4 nights in Rome, 3 in Venice

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We (two couples – age early 60’s) took a vacation in Italy in September 1999.  We spent 5 nights in Rome, 4 nights in Florence and 3 nights in Venice.  We had all visited Rome before but not Florence or Venice.  We flew into Rome, took the train to Florence, train to Venice then flew home (via London) from Venice.  I had worked in Italy a few months in the 80’s and our group is all experienced travelers. We had a delightful time – as most posters said – the time is too short but we managed one day side trips to Frascati (via train from Rome) and Pisa (via train from Florence).  We agree that Venice woul;d be delightful.  I would highly recommend the hotel we stayed in in Venice.  It is near the train station and convenient to the water taxis.  See www.abbaziahotel.com I think early September is the best time to visit europe. but spring is a close second.  As suggested – avoid the July/August time at all costs. Regards, Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->this is why I came here and posted.  To hear from the experts. >I see now that there’s just too much I want to see and do to fit it all in >one trip.  I don’t think I realized how far apart each place was from the >other… >We are Catholic and it was important to us to see religious places in Rome, >Assisi, and Turin. >Then it was important to me to visit Campobasso to see my Great Grandparents >hometown. >I’d also like to see the Leaning Tower of Pisa someday as well. >I realize now it’s impossible in 8 days. >But now my delema is what to cut out and what to do? >How can I split this trip in half (and go again someday for the other half?) >I was looking at it as a once in a lifetime trip but I guess I’ll have to >come again! >Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe then a day >trip to Campobasso? >Leave the rest for another trip? >Any more thoughts?

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> Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe then a day > trip to Campobasso?

That sounds feasible, especially if you leave from Venice instead of returning to Rome. I would spend at least  from Saturday through Wednesday in Rome and go to Venice on Thursday. That way you could take a day trip to Campobasso on Monday or Tuesday and still have a day or two to recuperate before another long trip. Campobasso is not a big tourist mecca, and you’ll have little time to spend there, but the train ride itself should be very interesting, and I agree with others that it would be great for your children to see where their ancestors came from. As I said in another post, there are not many through trains to Campobasso, and it’s important to find one of them because the others take a long time. If religious sites are important to you, you should try to see at least one of the catacombs in Rome. This will take a good half day, as they are a bit out of the city. They have English-speaking guides. I would also strongly recommend that you reserve a tour of the archeological site underneath the Vatican. Someone posted the other day on this newsgroup how to contact them by email to reserve the tour. This also has English speaking guides; when you reserve the tour, make sure to mention that you want an English language tour. This, combined with a visit to St. Peter’s Basilica, will take the better part of a day. When you visit the Roman forum, try to find the ancient Roman prison where it is presumed that both St. Peter and St. Paul were imprisoned. There’s no proof that they were held there, but in their time it was the only prison in Rome, so there’s a good possibility. Then there are many, many churches in Rome worth seeing, some of which date from the very early days of Christianity. St. Clement’s, for example, is built over a very early church, and this early church is built over a pagan temple. You can visit all three. I also like St. Paul’s Basilica, which many tourists don’t visit. It has a very nice cloister. You can see that there is plenty to keep you busy in Rome for more than a week! You and the children might also like to see the ancient Roman port city of Ostia, a short train ride from Rome. St. Augustine arrived at this port and his mother (St. Monica) died here of malaria. The city is very well preserved and might be very fascinating for the children. It gives a very good idea of what daily life was like in ancient Rome. Be sure to buy a good guide to Ostia Antica before you arrive, as the site isn’t very well marked, and you can’t buy a good guide book at the entrance. If you were thinking of going to Turin to see the Shroud, I don’t think it can be viewed except on very special occasions (such as the Jubilee). And when there is one of these occasions, it’s still not easy to get in to see it. I think you have to make reservations and it’s not easy. My husband saw it about 6 or 7 years ago. Barbara

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe then a day > trip to Campobasso? > That sounds feasible, especially if you leave from Venice instead of > returning to Rome. I would spend at least  from Saturday through > Wednesday in Rome and go to Venice on Thursday. That way you could take > a day trip to Campobasso on Monday or Tuesday and still have a day or > two to recuperate before another long trip. Campobasso is not a big > tourist mecca, and you’ll have little time to spend there, but the train > ride itself should be very interesting, and I agree with others that it > would be great for your children to see where their ancestors came from. > As I said in another post, there are not many through trains to > Campobasso, and it’s important to find one of them because the others > take a long time. > If religious sites are important to you, you should try to see at least > one of the catacombs in Rome. This will take a good half day, as they > are a bit out of the city. They have English-speaking guides. I would > also strongly recommend that you reserve a tour of the archeological > site underneath the Vatican. Someone posted the other day on this > newsgroup how to contact them by email to reserve the tour. This also > has English speaking guides; when you reserve the tour, make sure to > mention that you want an English language tour. This, combined with a > visit to St. Peter’s Basilica, will take the better part of a day. When > you visit the Roman forum, try to find the ancient Roman prison where it > is presumed that both St. Peter and St. Paul were imprisoned. There’s no > proof that they were held there, but in their time it was the only > prison in Rome, so there’s a good possibility. Then there are many, many > churches in Rome worth seeing, some of which date from the very early > days of Christianity. St. Clement’s, for example, is built over a very > early church, and this early church is built over a pagan temple. You > can visit all three. I also like St. Paul’s Basilica, which many > tourists don’t visit. It has a very nice cloister.

I love this site — but these people have small children on this trip — I doubt that they would be permitted, but even if they were, it isn’t the sort of thing to drag a pre schooler or first grader through. A better Rome excursion might be Villa d’Este and Villa Adriana — where kids can roam and would enjoy the weird fountains — and it would be a cool sojourn in July [although I think they should really do this in April or May if possible. > You can see that there is plenty to keep you busy in Rome for more than > a week! You and the children might also like to see the ancient Roman > port city of Ostia, a short train ride from Rome. St. Augustine arrived > at this port and his mother (St. Monica) died here of malaria. The city > is very well preserved and might be very fascinating for the children. > It gives a very good idea of what daily life was like in ancient Rome. > Be sure to buy a good guide to Ostia Antica before you arrive, as the > site isn’t very well marked, and you can’t buy a good guide book at the > entrance.

in the blazing sun in July? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If you were thinking of going to Turin to see the Shroud, I don’t think > it can be viewed except on very special occasions (such as the Jubilee). > And when there is one of these occasions, it’s still not easy to get in > to see it. I think you have to make reservations and it’s not easy. My > husband saw it about 6 or 7 years ago. > Barbara

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could you tell me if this hotel’s rooms could fit 4 people (2 adults/2 children)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We (two couples – age early 60’s) took a vacation in Italy in > September 1999.  We spent 5 nights in Rome, 4 nights in Florence and 3 > nights in Venice.  We had all visited Rome before but not Florence or > Venice.  We flew into Rome, took the train to Florence, train to > Venice then flew home (via London) from Venice.  I had worked in Italy > a few months in the 80’s and our group is all experienced travelers. > We had a delightful time – as most posters said – the time is too > short but we managed one day side trips to Frascati (via train from > Rome) and Pisa (via train from Florence).  We agree that Venice woul;d > be delightful.  I would highly recommend the hotel we stayed in in > Venice.  It is near the train station and convenient to the water > taxis.  See www.abbaziahotel.com > I think early September is the best time to visit europe. but spring > is a close second.  As suggested – avoid the July/August time at all > costs. > Regards, > Bill >this is why I came here and posted.  To hear from the experts. >I see now that there’s just too much I want to see and do to fit it all in >one trip.  I don’t think I realized how far apart each place was from the >other… >We are Catholic and it was important to us to see religious places in Rome, >Assisi, and Turin. >Then it was important to me to visit Campobasso to see my Great Grandparents >hometown. >I’d also like to see the Leaning Tower of Pisa someday as well. >I realize now it’s impossible in 8 days. >But now my delema is what to cut out and what to do? >How can I split this trip in half (and go again someday for the other half?) >I was looking at it as a once in a lifetime trip but I guess I’ll have to >come again! >Rome and Venice are important to my husband and myself.  Maybe then a day >trip to Campobasso? >Leave the rest for another trip? >Any more thoughts?

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> I love this site — but these people have small children on this trip — > I doubt that they would be permitted, but even if they were, it isn’t > the sort of thing to drag a pre schooler or first grader through.

Which of the many sites I mentioned might not allow small children? I can’t think of any one of them that might not. > You can see that there is plenty to keep you busy in Rome for more than > a week! You and the children might also like to see the ancient Roman > port city of Ostia, a short train ride from Rome. St. Augustine arrived > at this port and his mother (St. Monica) died here of malaria. The city > is very well preserved and might be very fascinating for the children. > It gives a very good idea of what daily life was like in ancient Rome. > Be sure to buy a good guide to Ostia Antica before you arrive, as the > site isn’t very well marked, and you can’t buy a good guide book at the > entrance. > in the blazing sun in July?

I’ve visited Ostia Antica four times, twice in the middle of summer. Unlike Pompeii, Ostia has quite a bit of shade, and it’s also very near the sea. It wasn’t too hot on either of my summer visits, even though one of them was at a time when the Roman Forum nearly made me faint with the heat. Barbara

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>could you tell me if this hotel’s rooms could fit 4 people (2 adults/2 >children)

Our room was a "regular room" for two adults – the web site shows triple and small suite rooms that may be suitable.  I suggest you e-mail the hotel directly with your question..  We mainly enjoyed the ambiance of the place – it is a former convent – nice garden and the main lounge is almost like the inside of a church.  I looked in my records and we paid 260,000 lira in 1999 – about $130.  The web site shows the current rate to be 80 to 200 euro ($86 to $216). Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We (two couples – age early 60’s) took a vacation in Italy in > September 1999.  We spent 5 nights in Rome, 4 nights in Florence and 3 > nights in Venice.  We had all visited Rome before but not Florence or > Venice.  We flew into Rome, took the train to Florence, train to > Venice then flew home (via London) from Venice.  I had worked in Italy > a few months in the 80’s and our group is all experienced travelers. > We had a delightful time – as most posters said – the time is too > short but we managed one day side trips to Frascati (via train from > Rome) and Pisa (via train from Florence).  We agree that Venice woul;d > be delightful.  I would highly recommend the hotel we stayed in in > Venice.  It is near the train station and convenient to the water > taxis.  See www.abbaziahotel.com > I think early September is the best time to visit europe. but spring > is a close second.  As suggested – avoid the July/August time at all > costs. > Regards, > Bill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After reading some posts here I was a bit hesitant to ask for help but > figured I’d give it a try anyway… > We are in the process of planning our first trip to Italy.  I’m very > excited > since my Great Grandparents were from Italy! > We are flexible at this point.  Originally we were planning for > April/Easter > break but I want to do this right and not rush in the planning so now I > was > thinking of either June or July 4th week. > We were thinking of leaving on a Friday night (arriving Saturday morning) > leaving the following Sunday, so that’s 8 days. > It will be 4 of us;  we have two daughters under 7. > Top on our must see list would be Rome.  We would probably spend 3 days > there with an excursion to Assisi. > Give some thought to hiring a driver in Rome. It is not cheap but it will > make three days seem like six. Public transportation, at least when  was > there last, is not nearly as convenient as other cities the same size. A few > years ago we hired a driver for three days and it was worth every penny.

I like the idea. Approximately how much did you end up paying? Was this driver available for the entire three days? Unlimited miles? How can can one go about finding a reputable driver? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does anyone know how far Campobasso > would be from Rome?  That is where my Great Grandparents were from.  I’d > love to visit there if possible. > Then my husband would like to include Venice. > I have flown to Venice from Rome just to see the city from the air. That > might be too expensive with kids.  We then  picked up a rental car in Venice > and took a week to drive back to Rome.  Needed more time but saw a lot. > I’d love to include Pisa and > Turin (and Portofino but I know I’m asking too much!) > Could anyone familiar with Italy and these towns help me decide what would > be possible and how much time needed?  I was hoping to start at Rome (with > the excursion to Assisi) and then head up to Pisa, Turin, Milan, and then > Venice and leave for home from there.  Is this possible?  Must we drive it > all or could we combine the train with a car? > The drive back from Venice to Rome is fun and allows short visits to Pisa > and Sienna. I’ll be doing it again in April. Be alert for street crime in > Rome. > Michael Kennedy

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> > I love this site — but these people have small children on this trip — > I doubt that they would be permitted, but even if they were, it isn’t > the sort of thing to drag a pre schooler or first grader through. > Which of the many sites I mentioned might not allow small children? I > can’t think of any one of them that might not.

I was under the impression that the Vatican archeological tour was limited to adults — perhaps not — it would still be a fairly bad idea to have small children on it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > You can see that there is plenty to keep you busy in Rome for more than > > a week! You and the children might also like to see the ancient Roman > > port city of Ostia, a short train ride from Rome. St. Augustine arrived > > at this port and his mother (St. Monica) died here of malaria. The city > > is very well preserved and might be very fascinating for the children. > > It gives a very good idea of what daily life was like in ancient Rome. > > Be sure to buy a good guide to Ostia Antica before you arrive, as the > > site isn’t very well marked, and you can’t buy a good guide book at the > > entrance. > in the blazing sun in July? > I’ve visited Ostia Antica four times, twice in the middle of summer. > Unlike Pompeii, Ostia has quite a bit of shade, and it’s also very near > the sea. It wasn’t too hot on either of my summer visits, even though > one of them was at a time when the Roman Forum nearly made me faint with > the heat. > Barbara

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Hi everyone, Hello, I am current research a trip to Europe. I am looking at hostels/cheap hotels that would have private rooms for 2 with or without bathrooms. I would be interested in learning more about any recommendations (or warnings) about places in: Naples Pisa Milan Venice Thanks to anyone with advice.

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>  Hello, I am current research a trip to Europe. I am looking at hostels/cheap > hotels that would have private rooms for 2 with or without bathrooms. I > would be interested in learning more about any recommendations (or warnings) > about places in: > Naples > Pisa > Milan > Venice > Thanks to anyone with advice.

Are you in an area that has libraries or bookstores that carry or sell guidebooks?  The people who write guidebooks like Lonely Planet and Lets Go, send writers out to feverishly answer the very question that you are asking. People on Usenet can write till they are blue in the face, and still not manage to provide the range, the detail, and all the phone numbers, location, and contact information that is provided in a single humble guidebook.  There is no reason to even imagine that some isolated soul here on Usenet has somehow found special inside information that is not available in the simplest basic guidebook.  And no-one on Usenet is likely to be WILLING to write till they are blue in the face to answer a single isolated post to Usenet.  Or do I contradict myself.   Bluely yours!  dwh

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There are plenty of posts here answering the very same thing. There is nothing like first hand experience from travelers who have been there. All the online guides I’ve looked at so far are pretty pathetic as far as giving something real. So I’ve found all the descriptions, phone numbers and address. What I need is recommendations! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  Hello, I am current research a trip to Europe. I am looking at > hostels/cheap > hotels that would have private rooms for 2 with or without bathrooms. I > would be interested in learning more about any recommendations (or > warnings) > about places in: > Naples > Pisa > Milan > Venice > Thanks to anyone with advice. > Are you in an area that has libraries or bookstores that carry or sell > guidebooks?  The people who write guidebooks like Lonely Planet and Lets Go, > send writers out to feverishly answer the very question that you are asking. > People on Usenet can write till they are blue in the face, and still not > manage to provide the range, the detail, and all the phone numbers, > location, and contact information that is provided in a single humble > guidebook.  There is no reason to even imagine that some isolated soul here > on Usenet has somehow found special inside information that is not available > in the simplest basic guidebook.  And no-one on Usenet is likely to be > WILLING to write till they are blue in the face to answer a single isolated > post to Usenet.  Or do I contradict myself.   Bluely yours!  dwh

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For accomodations, I usually look at www.bootsnall.com.  It’s a hostel directory and booking service, with travel articles and guides as well. Personal recommendations… I would give second thought to Naples and Pisa. Naples is not very attractive for the most part.  I’m prepared to be flamed, but most of Naples is pretty rough, crime is high, and it’s not very clean overall.  You might think about staying in Sorrento, just to the south if you want to see the sights around that area.  Sorrento is a good base for seeing Pompeii, the Amalfi coast, and Capri and Ischia. Pisa, there isn’t much to it except a leaning tower.  It’s a pretty blue collar town. It’s worthwhile instead to stay in either Florence or the Cinque Terre.  Both are about an hour from Pisa by train.  Both have much more character. In Venice, it may not be your cheapest option, but a very nice hotel for the money, and just a short walk from Piazza San Marco, is La Residenza. Enjoy your trip. Todd

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone, > Hello, I am current research a trip to Europe. I am looking at hostels/cheap > hotels that would have private rooms for 2 with or without bathrooms. I > would be interested in learning more about any recommendations (or warnings) > about places in: > Naples > Pisa > Milan > Venice > Thanks to anyone with advice.

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> There are plenty of posts here answering the very same thing. > There is nothing like first hand experience from travelers who have been > there. All the online guides I’ve looked at so far are pretty pathetic as > far as giving something real. So I’ve found all the descriptions, phone > numbers and address. What I need is recommendations!

Online guides typically don’t cover the "cheap" end of the market, because the really cheap hotels either can’t afford to support a web site, or don’t want to pay the fees necessary to be included in some sort of tourist "yellow pages". I live in Italy, and I rely heavily on Let’s Go, Italy to find cheap lodgings. It has very detailed price information, including the difference in cost with and without bath, and the differences between single, double, triple and quad rooms. The descriptions are also reliable. Of the cities you mention, the only one where I’ve stayed overnight is Venice. I stayed in a hotel called La Minerva, which was near the station and didn’t cost much. I found it in Let’s Go. Unfortunately, the Venice pages are now missing from my copy of the guide, so I can’t give you a phone number. I really suggest you get a copy of Let’s Go. Someone else recommended the Lonely Planet; I have no personal experience with their Italy guide, but in other countries I would say they are better at covering small off-the-beaten-track towns, but that they are not as good at covering the cheaper end of the lodging market. (They cover a broader range, however.) Since you’re asking about major cities, I would suspect that Let’s Go would suit your needs better. Barbara

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Hi everyone, Hello, I am current research a trip to Europe. I am looking at hostels/cheap hotels that would have private rooms for 2 with or without bathrooms. I would be interested in learning more about any recommendations (or warnings) about places in: Naples Pisa Milan Venice Thanks to anyone with advice.

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>  Hello, I am current research a trip to Europe. I am looking at hostels/cheap > hotels that would have private rooms for 2 with or without bathrooms. I > would be interested in learning more about any recommendations (or warnings) > about places in: > Naples > Pisa > Milan > Venice > Thanks to anyone with advice.

Are you in an area that has libraries or bookstores that carry or sell guidebooks?  The people who write guidebooks like Lonely Planet and Lets Go, send writers out to feverishly answer the very question that you are asking. People on Usenet can write till they are blue in the face, and still not manage to provide the range, the detail, and all the phone numbers, location, and contact information that is provided in a single humble guidebook.  There is no reason to even imagine that some isolated soul here on Usenet has somehow found special inside information that is not available in the simplest basic guidebook.  And no-one on Usenet is likely to be WILLING to write till they are blue in the face to answer a single isolated post to Usenet.  Or do I contradict myself.   Bluely yours!  dwh

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There are plenty of posts here answering the very same thing. There is nothing like first hand experience from travelers who have been there. All the online guides I’ve looked at so far are pretty pathetic as far as giving something real. So I’ve found all the descriptions, phone numbers and address. What I need is recommendations! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  Hello, I am current research a trip to Europe. I am looking at > hostels/cheap > hotels that would have private rooms for 2 with or without bathrooms. I > would be interested in learning more about any recommendations (or > warnings) > about places in: > Naples > Pisa > Milan > Venice > Thanks to anyone with advice. > Are you in an area that has libraries or bookstores that carry or sell > guidebooks?  The people who write guidebooks like Lonely Planet and Lets Go, > send writers out to feverishly answer the very question that you are asking. > People on Usenet can write till they are blue in the face, and still not > manage to provide the range, the detail, and all the phone numbers, > location, and contact information that is provided in a single humble > guidebook.  There is no reason to even imagine that some isolated soul here > on Usenet has somehow found special inside information that is not available > in the simplest basic guidebook.  And no-one on Usenet is likely to be > WILLING to write till they are blue in the face to answer a single isolated > post to Usenet.  Or do I contradict myself.   Bluely yours!  dwh

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For accomodations, I usually look at www.bootsnall.com.  It’s a hostel directory and booking service, with travel articles and guides as well. Personal recommendations… I would give second thought to Naples and Pisa. Naples is not very attractive for the most part.  I’m prepared to be flamed, but most of Naples is pretty rough, crime is high, and it’s not very clean overall.  You might think about staying in Sorrento, just to the south if you want to see the sights around that area.  Sorrento is a good base for seeing Pompeii, the Amalfi coast, and Capri and Ischia. Pisa, there isn’t much to it except a leaning tower.  It’s a pretty blue collar town. It’s worthwhile instead to stay in either Florence or the Cinque Terre.  Both are about an hour from Pisa by train.  Both have much more character. In Venice, it may not be your cheapest option, but a very nice hotel for the money, and just a short walk from Piazza San Marco, is La Residenza. Enjoy your trip. Todd

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone, > Hello, I am current research a trip to Europe. I am looking at hostels/cheap > hotels that would have private rooms for 2 with or without bathrooms. I > would be interested in learning more about any recommendations (or warnings) > about places in: > Naples > Pisa > Milan > Venice > Thanks to anyone with advice.

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> There are plenty of posts here answering the very same thing. > There is nothing like first hand experience from travelers who have been > there. All the online guides I’ve looked at so far are pretty pathetic as > far as giving something real. So I’ve found all the descriptions, phone > numbers and address. What I need is recommendations!

Online guides typically don’t cover the "cheap" end of the market, because the really cheap hotels either can’t afford to support a web site, or don’t want to pay the fees necessary to be included in some sort of tourist "yellow pages". I live in Italy, and I rely heavily on Let’s Go, Italy to find cheap lodgings. It has very detailed price information, including the difference in cost with and without bath, and the differences between single, double, triple and quad rooms. The descriptions are also reliable. Of the cities you mention, the only one where I’ve stayed overnight is Venice. I stayed in a hotel called La Minerva, which was near the station and didn’t cost much. I found it in Let’s Go. Unfortunately, the Venice pages are now missing from my copy of the guide, so I can’t give you a phone number. I really suggest you get a copy of Let’s Go. Someone else recommended the Lonely Planet; I have no personal experience with their Italy guide, but in other countries I would say they are better at covering small off-the-beaten-track towns, but that they are not as good at covering the cheaper end of the lodging market. (They cover a broader range, however.) Since you’re asking about major cities, I would suspect that Let’s Go would suit your needs better. Barbara

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When you enter the "Square of Miracles", you can see the leaning tower ahead of you. If you walk along the square until you are even with the tower, there is a street to your right. On the right-hand corner is a very nice little restaurant that we ate at once. I didn’t have the pizza, but someone with us did and said that it was very good. I can’t say if it is the best pizza in Pisa, as that is the only place in Pisa that we ate. But I think that is a good place to start. — briggl http://www.bestofitaly2001.com Italy Travelogue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My good lady wife and I have booked a cheeky Ryanair, Stansted to > Pisa, for a long weekend mid-December. > On a veritable pizza-a-thon in Naples last year, we noticed that the > less we paid for pizza, the better it was.  Indeed, the true food of > the Gods was served in the cheapest pizza restaurants. > So, very simply: where do we find the best pizza in Pisa? > Also, do you recommend anything else (particularly museums) in/around > Pisa? > Thanks > With kind regards > Zany B. Side > www.londonside.com

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some Pisa links at — HoloGuides Travel / Italy We are proud to be of service. http://www.geocities.com/anyCountryGuide/Italy.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My good lady wife and I have booked a cheeky Ryanair, Stansted to > Pisa, for a long weekend mid-December. > On a veritable pizza-a-thon in Naples last year, we noticed that the > less we paid for pizza, the better it was.  Indeed, the true food of > the Gods was served in the cheapest pizza restaurants. > So, very simply: where do we find the best pizza in Pisa? > Also, do you recommend anything else (particularly museums) in/around > Pisa? > Thanks > With kind regards > Zany B. Side > www.londonside.com

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My good lady wife and I have booked a cheeky Ryanair, Stansted to Pisa, for a long weekend mid-December. On a veritable pizza-a-thon in Naples last year, we noticed that the less we paid for pizza, the better it was.  Indeed, the true food of the Gods was served in the cheapest pizza restaurants. So, very simply: where do we find the best pizza in Pisa? Also, do you recommend anything else (particularly museums) in/around Pisa? Thanks With kind regards Zany B. Side www.londonside.com

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My good lady wife and I have booked a cheeky Ryanair, Stansted to Pisa, for a long weekend mid-December. On a veritable pizza-a-thon in Naples last year, we noticed that the less we paid for pizza, the better it was.  Indeed, the true food of the Gods was served in the cheapest pizza restaurants. So, very simply: where do we find the best pizza in Pisa? Also, do you recommend anything else (particularly museums) in/around Pisa? Thanks With kind regards Zany B. Side www.londonside.com

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When you enter the "Square of Miracles", you can see the leaning tower ahead of you. If you walk along the square until you are even with the tower, there is a street to your right. On the right-hand corner is a very nice little restaurant that we ate at once. I didn’t have the pizza, but someone with us did and said that it was very good. I can’t say if it is the best pizza in Pisa, as that is the only place in Pisa that we ate. But I think that is a good place to start. — briggl http://www.bestofitaly2001.com Italy Travelogue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My good lady wife and I have booked a cheeky Ryanair, Stansted to > Pisa, for a long weekend mid-December. > On a veritable pizza-a-thon in Naples last year, we noticed that the > less we paid for pizza, the better it was.  Indeed, the true food of > the Gods was served in the cheapest pizza restaurants. > So, very simply: where do we find the best pizza in Pisa? > Also, do you recommend anything else (particularly museums) in/around > Pisa? > Thanks > With kind regards > Zany B. Side > www.londonside.com

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some Pisa links at — HoloGuides Travel / Italy We are proud to be of service. http://www.geocities.com/anyCountryGuide/Italy.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My good lady wife and I have booked a cheeky Ryanair, Stansted to > Pisa, for a long weekend mid-December. > On a veritable pizza-a-thon in Naples last year, we noticed that the > less we paid for pizza, the better it was.  Indeed, the true food of > the Gods was served in the cheapest pizza restaurants. > So, very simply: where do we find the best pizza in Pisa? > Also, do you recommend anything else (particularly museums) in/around > Pisa? > Thanks > With kind regards > Zany B. Side > www.londonside.com

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This summer I’ve been touring Tuscany and Umbria(the near region) a little bit…the train/bus connection are pretty good and I suggest that you focus on that area rather than see other northern regions in 2 weeks.You can see Arezzo, whic is a beautifull town whit a good atmosphere (have you seen the movie ‘La vita

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> I’m thinking of spending a couple of months in Lucca. > Anyone know about the air quality? > Anyone have any language school experience in Lucca? > Any recommendations for attractions/restaurants?

I was in Lucca in May. I can’t answer your other questions, but I recommend the following restaurants: Buca di San Antonio All’Olivo Baralla — Ken Blake Please reply to the newsgroup

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I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). What is the hostal situation like? Do they have such places? What about day trips from Florence (by car or train). Thanks Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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> I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of > November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). > What is the hostal situation like? Do they have such places? > What about day trips from Florence (by car or train). Thanks

get a good guidebook of course. one museum that is often overlooked but is one of my favorite is San Marco — the old monastary where Fra Angelico and his students painted frescoes in the monk’s cells.  it is a block from Academia where David is. Ice cream at Vivoli near Santa Croce is a must.  I particularly like the chocolate and vanilla with orange peel in them. Go to Siena by bus — [unless you have a Eurail pass]  the bus lets you off right at the edge of the Campo.

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> I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of > November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise).

At times it looks like everybody is plugging his/her business here, so I will do so too: Cavalleria Rusticana & Pagliacci at Teatro Comunale.    Home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/archivarius                    (musicologia pratica)

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Thanks so much everyone. The info is great. It’s nice to know people still go out of their way to be helpful. Keep the ideas coming! Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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> Go to Siena by bus — [unless you have a Eurail pass]  the bus lets you > off right at the edge of the Campo.

Sorry, but this is not true.  The bus lets you off in Piazza Gramsci which is a 10 minute walk to Il Campo but it is right next to the main street of Siena so it is easy access to wherever you want to go. Cristina

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Hi Dave With apologies for any repetition of earlier postings: – the Bargello is "the" museum you musn’t miss – small and packed with goodies; – the Uffizi is (in my opinion) just too big – how many masterpieces can one brain take in one after the other  - sensory exhaustion sets in quickly; – Santa Croce – Michaelangelo’s tomb on the left – Galileo’s on the right !; – the cathedral at Pisa has (arguably) the most jaw dropping interior of them all (including Firenze’s); – the view from the Domo is incredible – but getting there is hard work for the unfit – especially the last 50 steps or so !; – good street entertainment around Place del Nationale on Sundays; – day trips – anywhere around by car is in the Tuscan countryside – what more could you want; – don’t miss the karaoke violinist who plays in the Uffizi courtyard at night – sentimental but very good; – watch out for the scooters – there are zillions of them; Have a great time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of > November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). > What is the hostal situation like? Do they have such places? > What about day trips from Florence (by car or train). Thanks > Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com

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Hello Dave, we spent 2 weeks last year in Italy. Most of it though in Vicenza and Venice. But from Florence it is not very far to go to Pisa. We went there for 1 day, it was very nice. You must see the Leaning Tower. If you like driving, Verona and Venice are very nice also with the old buildings and especialy in Verona, Juliet’s house and her grave. Venice is special too, it is a little bit far from Florence, but it is worth seeing it. Driving trough Italy is very nice, although the freeway fees are kind of high. You must pay, unless you want to use their national roads. Not very comfortable…. The food is great, pizza everywhere, very thin though, not like American pizza at all. Pasta is very good, the always serve bread with it. In restaurants you always pay for the seat also, so don’t be surprised, if they add some lire to your check. Some restaurants include the tip for the server already, so be careful not to pay double tip. Other than that, Italians are very nice and outgoing people, sometimes a little bit loud and sometimes you have to be careful, because they try to get all the money out of tourists. If you plan on shopping on the market, negotiate the price. Oh, Italian shoes and clothes are the hit. I bought some pretty nice clothes and shoes in Italy. I hope you’re going to have a nice trip and not too cold…. Victoria M. Carraway

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> I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of > November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). > What is the hostal situation like? Do they have such places? > What about day trips from Florence (by car or train). Thanks

Only one word – wonderful! Jacek

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> I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of > November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). > What is the hostal situation like? Do they have such places? > What about day trips from Florence (by car or train). Thanks

Hi once again! 1. What you have to see: – Uffizi, -Bargello, -dell`Accademia -Piazza del Duomo, -Piazza della Signoria, Oh! My God – just everything. 2. Where you have to eat: -Acqua del due – via del Acqua 2r – assagio di primi, -Latini – via Palchetti 6r, Le Mossacce – via del Proconsolo 55r, Benvenuto, via Mosca 16r., Il Cibreo – via de Macci 118r, Perche No! – via de Tavolini 19r, 3 Visit Siena! and trattoria Cane e Gato via Pagliaresi 6 – Have a nice time Jacek

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> I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of > November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). > What is the hostal situation like? Do they have such places? > What about day trips from Florence (by car or train). Thanks > Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com

You can day trip to Pisa, and into the Tuscan countryside. The place has so many great museums where to begin is a hard choice.

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Dave forgot to mention; The Pitti Palace Boboli Gardens Piazzale Michelangelo (standard postcard view over city) S. Miniato (beautiful church near P.Michelangelo featured in film I cant remember name of) Ponte Vecchio etc etc etc etc etc Almost any street in the central area – the whole place is an open air museum. If you see nothing else, the trip is worth it for the Uffizi alone. As for food, avoid the tourist menu offered in many ristorante, cheapest places are the rosteceria. Big price variation in cafes, check price list outside. weather will be cool and maybe wet but much better than hot summer. Its possible to make day trips by train – even as far as Rome – for reasonable cost. nearly forgot – visit Fiesole Ed Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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> I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of November. Any > suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). What is the hostal > situation like? Do they have such places? What about day trips from > Florence (by car or train). Thanks

Be sure you climb to to the top of the dome of the duomo. Do it more for the climb than the view, but the view is fantastic. You can read my trip reports here – "The Best View in Florence": http://maddogsbreakfast.com.au/mdb/gui/art/art50c.shtml "Gelato Ripoff": http://maddogsbreakfast.com.au/mdb/gui/art/art79c.shtml Also (as a daytrip) you can go over to Siena.  It’s a very picturesque place, but I’m not sure what you do there besides wander around marveling at the buildings, visiting the duomo, and eating sienatort. Which is kind of cake-biscuit thing (oh, ‘biscuit’ == ‘cookie’), it’s very thick and heavy.  Best enjoyed with fantastic coffee  - but be sure to establish the price before you buy it.  And buy it at the counter and then carry it outside if you wish to have it outside.  If they ’serve’ you outside the price doubles (if you’re lucky). I wrote a trip report on this too- "Daytrip to Siena": http://maddogsbreakfast.com.au/mdb/gui/art/art3c.shtml We were considering a trip over to Assisi, but the helpful ladies at the bus depot told us it *should* be done as an overnight trip, and we couldn’t afford to take that long. We stayed at the (government run?) hostel, it was excellent.  They have (had?) permanent tents outside the building.  There was no-lockout for these, and they were a little cheaper than the inside rooms.  Except that it was seperate mens & ladies tents.  There was outside toilets & showers too with lashings of hot water. please feel free to email any specific questions, cheers, -kt — Mad Dog’s Breakfast:     The Travel Magazine that doesn’t take itself too seriously     http://www.MadDogsBreakfast.com

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I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). What is the hostal situation like? Do they have such places? What about day trips from Florence (by car or train). Thanks Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Hello Dave, we spent 2 weeks last year in Italy. Most of it though in Vicenza and Venice. But from Florence it is not very far to go to Pisa. We went there for 1 day, it was very nice. You must see the Leaning Tower. If you like driving, Verona and Venice are very nice also with the old buildings and especialy in Verona, Juliet’s house and her grave. Venice is special too, it is a little bit far from Florence, but it is worth seeing it. Driving trough Italy is very nice, although the freeway fees are kind of high. You must pay, unless you want to use their national roads. Not very comfortable…. The food is great, pizza everywhere, very thin though, not like American pizza at all. Pasta is very good, the always serve bread with it. In restaurants you always pay for the seat also, so don’t be surprised, if they add some lire to your check. Some restaurants include the tip for the server already, so be careful not to pay double tip. Other than that, Italians are very nice and outgoing people, sometimes a little bit loud and sometimes you have to be careful, because they try to get all the money out of tourists. If you plan on shopping on the market, negotiate the price. Oh, Italian shoes and clothes are the hit. I bought some pretty nice clothes and shoes in Italy. I hope you’re going to have a nice trip and not too cold…. Victoria M. Carraway

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> I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of > November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). > What is the hostal situation like? Do they have such places? > What about day trips from Florence (by car or train). Thanks

Only one word – wonderful! Jacek

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> I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of > November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). > What is the hostal situation like? Do they have such places? > What about day trips from Florence (by car or train). Thanks

Hi once again! 1. What you have to see: – Uffizi, -Bargello, -dell`Accademia -Piazza del Duomo, -Piazza della Signoria, Oh! My God – just everything. 2. Where you have to eat: -Acqua del due – via del Acqua 2r – assagio di primi, -Latini – via Palchetti 6r, Le Mossacce – via del Proconsolo 55r, Benvenuto, via Mosca 16r., Il Cibreo – via de Macci 118r, Perche No! – via de Tavolini 19r, 3 Visit Siena! and trattoria Cane e Gato via Pagliaresi 6 – Have a nice time Jacek

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> I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of > November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). > What is the hostal situation like? Do they have such places? > What about day trips from Florence (by car or train). Thanks > Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com

You can day trip to Pisa, and into the Tuscan countryside. The place has so many great museums where to begin is a hard choice.

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Dave forgot to mention; The Pitti Palace Boboli Gardens Piazzale Michelangelo (standard postcard view over city) S. Miniato (beautiful church near P.Michelangelo featured in film I cant remember name of) Ponte Vecchio etc etc etc etc etc Almost any street in the central area – the whole place is an open air museum. If you see nothing else, the trip is worth it for the Uffizi alone. As for food, avoid the tourist menu offered in many ristorante, cheapest places are the rosteceria. Big price variation in cafes, check price list outside. weather will be cool and maybe wet but much better than hot summer. Its possible to make day trips by train – even as far as Rome – for reasonable cost. nearly forgot – visit Fiesole Ed Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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> I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of November. Any > suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). What is the hostal > situation like? Do they have such places? What about day trips from > Florence (by car or train). Thanks

Be sure you climb to to the top of the dome of the duomo. Do it more for the climb than the view, but the view is fantastic. You can read my trip reports here – "The Best View in Florence": http://maddogsbreakfast.com.au/mdb/gui/art/art50c.shtml "Gelato Ripoff": http://maddogsbreakfast.com.au/mdb/gui/art/art79c.shtml Also (as a daytrip) you can go over to Siena.  It’s a very picturesque place, but I’m not sure what you do there besides wander around marveling at the buildings, visiting the duomo, and eating sienatort. Which is kind of cake-biscuit thing (oh, ‘biscuit’ == ‘cookie’), it’s very thick and heavy.  Best enjoyed with fantastic coffee  - but be sure to establish the price before you buy it.  And buy it at the counter and then carry it outside if you wish to have it outside.  If they ’serve’ you outside the price doubles (if you’re lucky). I wrote a trip report on this too- "Daytrip to Siena": http://maddogsbreakfast.com.au/mdb/gui/art/art3c.shtml We were considering a trip over to Assisi, but the helpful ladies at the bus depot told us it *should* be done as an overnight trip, and we couldn’t afford to take that long. We stayed at the (government run?) hostel, it was excellent.  They have (had?) permanent tents outside the building.  There was no-lockout for these, and they were a little cheaper than the inside rooms.  Except that it was seperate mens & ladies tents.  There was outside toilets & showers too with lashings of hot water. please feel free to email any specific questions, cheers, -kt — Mad Dog’s Breakfast:     The Travel Magazine that doesn’t take itself too seriously     http://www.MadDogsBreakfast.com

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> I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of > November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). > What is the hostal situation like? Do they have such places? > What about day trips from Florence (by car or train). Thanks

get a good guidebook of course. one museum that is often overlooked but is one of my favorite is San Marco — the old monastary where Fra Angelico and his students painted frescoes in the monk’s cells.  it is a block from Academia where David is. Ice cream at Vivoli near Santa Croce is a must.  I particularly like the chocolate and vanilla with orange peel in them. Go to Siena by bus — [unless you have a Eurail pass]  the bus lets you off right at the edge of the Campo.

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> I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of > November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise).

At times it looks like everybody is plugging his/her business here, so I will do so too: Cavalleria Rusticana & Pagliacci at Teatro Comunale.    Home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/archivarius                    (musicologia pratica)

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Thanks so much everyone. The info is great. It’s nice to know people still go out of their way to be helpful. Keep the ideas coming! Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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> Go to Siena by bus — [unless you have a Eurail pass]  the bus lets you > off right at the edge of the Campo.

Sorry, but this is not true.  The bus lets you off in Piazza Gramsci which is a 10 minute walk to Il Campo but it is right next to the main street of Siena so it is easy access to wherever you want to go. Cristina

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Hi Dave With apologies for any repetition of earlier postings: – the Bargello is "the" museum you musn’t miss – small and packed with goodies; – the Uffizi is (in my opinion) just too big – how many masterpieces can one brain take in one after the other  - sensory exhaustion sets in quickly; – Santa Croce – Michaelangelo’s tomb on the left – Galileo’s on the right !; – the cathedral at Pisa has (arguably) the most jaw dropping interior of them all (including Firenze’s); – the view from the Domo is incredible – but getting there is hard work for the unfit – especially the last 50 steps or so !; – good street entertainment around Place del Nationale on Sundays; – day trips – anywhere around by car is in the Tuscan countryside – what more could you want; – don’t miss the karaoke violinist who plays in the Uffizi courtyard at night – sentimental but very good; – watch out for the scooters – there are zillions of them; Have a great time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I will be visiting Florence for 8 days at the beginning of > November. Any suggestions (cultural, gastromic or otherwise). > What is the hostal situation like? Do they have such places? > What about day trips from Florence (by car or train). Thanks > Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com

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