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And now, it is time to have a look at the greatest musician ever existed, whose supernatural musical powers made the established musicians and the music industry forge the biggest international plot ever to stop him. Unfortunately, now everything that they wanted to hide is being known…and the stature of the man is determined by the amount of conspiracy he generates. We are talking of a music encyclopedia that knows and plays almost every existing song. We are talking of a music monster whose supernatural perception of sound can play a song just by listening to it for the first time. A supernatural mediumistic talent who can create the most amazing improvisations just by falling into trance. It is due to this supernatural perception of sound that he became a piano tuner to London Symphony Orchestra and to the Royal Albert Hall, sometimes back. Concerning his craftsmanship as a piano tuner and technician, Mr. Nigel Hill, manager of the piano department of Chappell of London says of him in a reference letter: "He has been a great contribution to Chappell of Bond Street in the pianoforte field"… His name is JOSEPH FERRANTE, the Supramusician…and we are proud of introducing him to you…once again… Born in Florence, the birthplace of art, he grew up in another two different countries, being this the reason why he cannot be pigeonholed into a single nationality, because he was influenced by three different nations. Joseph Ferrante is a universal man….let us call him "the human being"… You already know about the plot of the Beatles and the British music industry to keep Ferrante’s music from reaching the public and the details of the story, so we are not going to go through it again. All of it happened out of shear jealousy because the best musician in almost every style is not British but from Florence, the birthplace of art. In addition, the British music industry also plotted with the music industry of the place where Joseph Ferrante comes from to block the music genius. They know that Ferrante is the end to many myths… As can be seen on Joseph Ferrante’s website, Rick Wakeman ("Yes" keyboard) says in a letter to him: "You are obviously a very good guitar and keyboard player". Concerning Ferrante’s masterpiece adaptation of Hey Jude, Richard Dunn of the BBC says: "I found it a very original and quite virtuoso arrangement", Sam Winwood of the British Sony Music says: "I was really impressed with the quality of the performance and your new arrangement" and Andy Turner of London’s Capital Radio says: "I found it a very interesting arrangement". Bill Bruford (‘Yes" drummer) said: "Thanks for your highly original version of Hey Jude". However, being the greatest musician ever existed is just the beginning of Joseph Ferrante…the very beginning… Joseph Ferrante is a graduated architect, a graduated doctor, a graduated psychologist, a nearly graduated biologist, an astronomer, a web designer, a philosopher, a writer, a painter, a master in all religions (discoverer of mysteries yet unknown to mankind), a master in all occult sciences, a magician, an astrologer, a yoga teacher, a piano tuner and technician, a music teacher, a martial artist, a weightlifting trainer, a graduated actor, an acupuncturist, a chess teacher, a homeopater, a professional level photographer, a four languages speaking man… He is a MULTI GENIUS, with a 185 I.Q..He spends 27 hours a day with a book in his hands, EVERY DAY… Joseph Ferrante is the greatest of all geniuses born in Florence, the birthplace of art. Leonardo Da Vinci, Michelangelo Bounarotti, Dante Alighieri, Petrarca, Guido Monaco, etc., etc., are just na

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> <<<<<I spent August in Florence in 2001.  Delightful but very hot. > The only places that were overcrowded were: the Duomo (free) and the > Uffizi Galeries.  But you can make reservations for the Uffizi (once > you are there).  My advice is to go early to the museums as there was > no air conditioning (early = 8:30 am)  Also there are less people > around in general.  The early bird gets the worm.  I would usually > come home for lunch and rest afterwards until it got cooler.  I find > that people congregate around free venues. Outside of the Uffizi, you > had to be careful about the Accademia which could get crowded. > Otherwise no problems.  Enjoy.

The original poster will be here in June – not as hot as August, but the last two Junes were quite hot anyway. Both Uffizi and Accademia visits may be reserved in advance, a very sensible thing to do to skips the queues than in the hot season may be uncomfortable.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > After several off-season visits to Italy my wife and I together with > friends > have rented a villa in Tuscany, 35 km from Florence center for weeks > 6/14 thru > 6/28. > I know Florence was a quagmire of human activity off-season and > thoughts of the increase in crowds during summer in Florence becomes > frightening. My wife and I intend to stick with the small hill towns > of Tuscany and Umbria in the mornings, returning to the villa after > lunch but our friends have never seen the art treasures of Florence. I > would, however, like to warn them of the crowds in order to avoid any > culture shock that could ensue as a result of the throngs of people > encountered by them. > Any comments and advice of experiences accordingly would be > appreciated.

I live in Italy, and have resolved to stay away from Florence in the summer if I can. However, various friends and family members have never seen Florence, are constrained to vacations in the summer months, and want to visit with me. I have found that even in Florence, you can avoid crowds by staying off the very few streets that constitute the beaten tourist path. The Uffizzi and the Accademia have very long lines in the summer, but you can reserve ahead of time. Inside is not terribly crowded, because they control the number of people who can enter at one time. Some museums, such as the Palazzo Pitti, just don’t seem to attract the hordes; I have been there in August without encountering either lines or hordes. Another relatively unvisited museum is the Museum dell’Opera del Duomo, just behind the Duomo, which has some excellent art, plus a very interesting exhibit on the construction of the dome, plus lots of exhibits of art that was in the Duomo in the years before its various redecorations. There is an unfinished late Michelangelo Pieta’ that I found very compelling, and a late Donatello sculture of wood that is unlike anything of his I have ever seen. I would recommend staying out of the Duomo, because the lines are enormous; the outside (to my mind) is more beautiful than the inside. I would suggest trying to plan a visit to some of Florence’s lesser-known charms, maybe including just one of the really big museums. There are many small churches that have world-class artwork on the walls and that aren’t much visited. The Michelin Green Guide would be a good resource. I think June is somewhat less crowded than August in any case. Once I went to visit my daughter who was doing research in a library there in June, and the crowds weren’t bad at all. Given, it was a rainy weekend, but I don’t think that would reduce the crowds much, given that most visitors have reservations made weeks in advance. Barbara

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After several off-season visits to Italy my wife and I together with friends have rented a villa in Tuscany, 35 km from Florence center for weeks 6/14 thru 6/28. I know Florence was a quagmire of human activity off-season and thoughts of the increase in crowds during summer in Florence becomes frightening. My wife and I intend to stick with the small hill towns of Tuscany and Umbria in the mornings, returning to the villa after lunch but our friends have never seen the art treasures of Florence. I would, however, like to warn them of the crowds in order to avoid any culture shock that could ensue as a result of the throngs of people encountered by them. Any comments and advice of experiences accordingly would be appreciated.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > After several off-season visits to Italy my wife and I together with > friends > have rented a villa in Tuscany, 35 km from Florence center for weeks > 6/14 thru > 6/28. > I know Florence was a quagmire of human activity off-season and > thoughts of the increase in crowds during summer in Florence becomes > frightening. My wife and I intend to stick with the small hill towns > of Tuscany and Umbria in the mornings, returning to the villa after > lunch but our friends have never seen the art treasures of Florence. I > would, however, like to warn them of the crowds in order to avoid any > culture shock that could ensue as a result of the throngs of people > encountered by them. > Any comments and advice of experiences accordingly would be > appreciated.

<<<<<I spent August in Florence in 2001.  Delightful but very hot. The only places that were overcrowded were: the Duomo (free) and the Uffizi Galeries.  But you can make reservations for the Uffizi (once you are there).  My advice is to go early to the museums as there was no air conditioning (early = 8:30 am)  Also there are less people around in general.  The early bird gets the worm.  I would usually come home for lunch and rest afterwards until it got cooler.  I find that people congregate around free venues. Outside of the Uffizi, you had to be careful about the Accademia which could get crowded. Otherwise no problems.  Enjoy.

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After several off-season visits to Italy my wife and I together with friends have rented a villa in Tuscany, 35 km from Florence center for weeks 6/14 thru 6/28. I know Florence was a quagmire of human activity off-season and thoughts of the increase in crowds during summer in Florence becomes frightening. My wife and I intend to stick with the small hill towns of Tuscany and Umbria in the mornings, returning to the villa after lunch but our friends have never seen the art treasures of Florence. I would, however, like to warn them of the crowds in order to avoid any culture shock that could ensue as a result of the throngs of people encountered by them. Any comments and advice of experiences accordingly would be appreciated.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > After several off-season visits to Italy my wife and I together with > friends > have rented a villa in Tuscany, 35 km from Florence center for weeks > 6/14 thru > 6/28. > I know Florence was a quagmire of human activity off-season and > thoughts of the increase in crowds during summer in Florence becomes > frightening. My wife and I intend to stick with the small hill towns > of Tuscany and Umbria in the mornings, returning to the villa after > lunch but our friends have never seen the art treasures of Florence. I > would, however, like to warn them of the crowds in order to avoid any > culture shock that could ensue as a result of the throngs of people > encountered by them. > Any comments and advice of experiences accordingly would be > appreciated.

<<<<<I spent August in Florence in 2001.  Delightful but very hot. The only places that were overcrowded were: the Duomo (free) and the Uffizi Galeries.  But you can make reservations for the Uffizi (once you are there).  My advice is to go early to the museums as there was no air conditioning (early = 8:30 am)  Also there are less people around in general.  The early bird gets the worm.  I would usually come home for lunch and rest afterwards until it got cooler.  I find that people congregate around free venues. Outside of the Uffizi, you had to be careful about the Accademia which could get crowded. Otherwise no problems.  Enjoy.

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> <<<<<I spent August in Florence in 2001.  Delightful but very hot. > The only places that were overcrowded were: the Duomo (free) and the > Uffizi Galeries.  But you can make reservations for the Uffizi (once > you are there).  My advice is to go early to the museums as there was > no air conditioning (early = 8:30 am)  Also there are less people > around in general.  The early bird gets the worm.  I would usually > come home for lunch and rest afterwards until it got cooler.  I find > that people congregate around free venues. Outside of the Uffizi, you > had to be careful about the Accademia which could get crowded. > Otherwise no problems.  Enjoy.

The original poster will be here in June – not as hot as August, but the last two Junes were quite hot anyway. Both Uffizi and Accademia visits may be reserved in advance, a very sensible thing to do to skips the queues than in the hot season may be uncomfortable.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > After several off-season visits to Italy my wife and I together with > friends > have rented a villa in Tuscany, 35 km from Florence center for weeks > 6/14 thru > 6/28. > I know Florence was a quagmire of human activity off-season and > thoughts of the increase in crowds during summer in Florence becomes > frightening. My wife and I intend to stick with the small hill towns > of Tuscany and Umbria in the mornings, returning to the villa after > lunch but our friends have never seen the art treasures of Florence. I > would, however, like to warn them of the crowds in order to avoid any > culture shock that could ensue as a result of the throngs of people > encountered by them. > Any comments and advice of experiences accordingly would be > appreciated.

I live in Italy, and have resolved to stay away from Florence in the summer if I can. However, various friends and family members have never seen Florence, are constrained to vacations in the summer months, and want to visit with me. I have found that even in Florence, you can avoid crowds by staying off the very few streets that constitute the beaten tourist path. The Uffizzi and the Accademia have very long lines in the summer, but you can reserve ahead of time. Inside is not terribly crowded, because they control the number of people who can enter at one time. Some museums, such as the Palazzo Pitti, just don’t seem to attract the hordes; I have been there in August without encountering either lines or hordes. Another relatively unvisited museum is the Museum dell’Opera del Duomo, just behind the Duomo, which has some excellent art, plus a very interesting exhibit on the construction of the dome, plus lots of exhibits of art that was in the Duomo in the years before its various redecorations. There is an unfinished late Michelangelo Pieta’ that I found very compelling, and a late Donatello sculture of wood that is unlike anything of his I have ever seen. I would recommend staying out of the Duomo, because the lines are enormous; the outside (to my mind) is more beautiful than the inside. I would suggest trying to plan a visit to some of Florence’s lesser-known charms, maybe including just one of the really big museums. There are many small churches that have world-class artwork on the walls and that aren’t much visited. The Michelin Green Guide would be a good resource. I think June is somewhat less crowded than August in any case. Once I went to visit my daughter who was doing research in a library there in June, and the crowds weren’t bad at all. Given, it was a rainy weekend, but I don’t think that would reduce the crowds much, given that most visitors have reservations made weeks in advance. Barbara

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I’m looking for a reasonably cheap hotel in Florence. So far the best offers I’ve got are from Hotel Giappone (Via dei Banchi, 1) and Florence Rooms apartments (Via Uguccione della Faggiola, 28). Any experiences with either of them? Also other recommendations on where to find a rather inexpensive double room with a private bathroom would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Jussi

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> I’m looking for a reasonably cheap hotel in Florence. So far the best > offers I’ve got are from Hotel Giappone (Via dei Banchi, 1) and > Florence Rooms apartments (Via Uguccione della Faggiola, 28). Any > experiences with either of them? Also other recommendations on where > to find a rather inexpensive double room with a private bathroom would > be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > Jussi

Via dei Banchi is in the center of Florence, close all historical monuments. Via Uguccione della Faggiola is in the south-east suburbs. It will take about 20 minutes to go to the center by bus. In the same area you can try Hotel Gavinana (**39055687659) Via Uguccione della Faggiola, 25 a simple but clear little hotel. Another opportunity, but mor expansive, could be the Hotel David, Viale Michelangelo, 1 (tel **390556811695), 15 min. from the center by bus. I must say that all the central hotels of Florence are very expansive. Andrea — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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Kokeile www.hotelsampaoli.it Kohtuuhintainen keskustassa. Ymp

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Thanks, there’s some useful information there.  It was fun to read, too, because my partner and I have planned basically the same itinerary for this spring.  The only differences are: we are staying in Siena instead of Florence (day-trip or stopover in Florence — just to do the museums); we are also traveling by rail, but considering a car rental one-way from Siena to Sorrento (stay in Sorrento, day-tripping to Amalfi coast and Capri); then up to Rome (Pompeii on the way) for a few days before heading back to Milan the day before departure home to U.S.  Another day in Rome with departure from Rome would have been preferable, but at the time of booking, that option was much more costly.  We’re going to try making our short stay in Milan worthwhile. Can anyone tell me what the approximate driving time would be from Siena to Sorrento?  We would plan on leaving early AM, so it could be somewhat leisurely, with a bit of sightseeing along the way —  want to arrive in Sorrento late afternoon (approx. 6 PM). Recommended routes or not-recommended routes?  Must-see towns or other locales? Or should we just forget the car and go rail to Sorrento? Thanks! Dave

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Dave, sounds like a good itinerary; we are still in the planning stages as well.  Do you have suggestions for hotels in Siena, Sorrento, and Rome?  I have browsed the web and there are soooo many to choose from.  Just thought I’d get a personal opinion.  TIA bebe

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks, there’s some useful information there.  It was fun to read, too, > because my partner and I have planned basically the same itinerary for this > spring.  The only differences are: we are staying in Siena instead of > Florence (day-trip or stopover in Florence — just to do the museums); we > are also traveling by rail, but considering a car rental one-way from Siena > to Sorrento (stay in Sorrento, day-tripping to Amalfi coast and Capri); > then up to Rome (Pompeii on the way) for a few days before heading back to

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I wish I had the experience to make a personal recommendation, but these are the ones we chose, based on others’ recommendations.  These hotels are in the 80-120+ euro range, all with private bath and including breakfast too, I believe (for shoulder season of April-May, although that could also be regarded as high season in some places).  We chose based also on convenient proximity to rail and public transport. In Siena, Hotel Duomo http://www.hotelduomo.it/indexi.htm; in Sorrento, Hotel Loreley et Londres http://www.travelitaly.com/hotels/hotels/amalfi_coast/loreley.html (if possible, don’t book through this site — fax or call the hotel directly and you’ll save $$); and in Rome, Aberdeen Hotel http://www.travel.it/roma/aberdeen/ Can’t wait to meander through Italy again, this time with significantly more style — it’s been almost 20 years since I last visited, and back then, I was a student hobo (3 weeks in Europe on $200, a EurailPass and the kindness of strangers), albeit a happy one. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dave, sounds like a good itinerary; we are still in the planning stages as > well.  Do you have suggestions for hotels in Siena, Sorrento, and Rome?  I > have browsed the web and there are soooo many to choose from.  Just thought > I’d get a personal opinion.  TIA > bebe

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"> and in Rome, Aberdeen Hotel http://www.travel.it/roma/aberdeen/ How did you find the Aberdeen, I am arriving there in two weeks for a one-week stay.  Any tips about the hotel or the area around it? TIA

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>(I did notice in another post that they are > requesting reservations on train trips now – they didn’t when I went, > but if it’s true, that changes everything about what I just said).

Not really. The day before you leave a city, you enter the first travel agency you see (plenty of them in tourist areas) and you buy your ticket with your reservation (I am talking about ES trains in Italy). It is at exactly the same price as at the station, and you don’t have to arrive early at the station. If you lose the train, ask for another reservation, showing your ticket; the ticket is valid two months, you pay only a second reservation fee.

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What an awesome account! I can feel your exitement!  We are planning a trip this July which will include some of the places you mention in Italy. I think this ng beats travel guides any day! So thanks!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->     bb- Oh, man, where to begin! I’ll try to give you a few do’s and > don’ts that we picked up – I’d put these in the category of "small > tips" rather than sweeping cruise-director itineraries. >     First and foremost, we never did rent a car. So many people told > us not to have one at all in Florence, Venice, Rome and Naples (and > they were right – all around you are traffic snares, and it’s way more > fun to laugh at the travails of others while you walk faster than they > drive) that we figured it just wouldn’t ever be worth it. And public > transportation was great – I’ll look around for websites and such that > gave us bus and train information before we left (I know, bb, that if > you ask on the newsgroup that you’ll get an instant reply to that > question if I can’t find it). Also, vis a vis transportation, we > didn’t buy any sort of Eurail pass or otherpass. It wasn’t worth it, > and the individual tickets were always cheaper than the packages and > gave us way more flexibility without adding significant time to what > we were doing. For instance, if we arrived in a city and knew when we > were leaving again, we’d buy the tickets right there for the next leg > of the trip. Otherwise, being a little cautious, we’d show up 45 > minutes early anyway and that gives you plenty of time to buy tickets > for the next trip. (I did notice in another post that they are > requesting reservations on train trips now – they didn’t when I went, > but if it’s true, that changes everything about what I just said). >     Well, we arrived in Milan and went directly from the airport to > the train station (about 45 minutes by bus, which was fun and way less > money than a taxi), then went by train to Venice, which was also a > nice trip. The train was crowded and I think on that leg we ended up > sitting on our luggage in the aisle, but didn’t care a bit. We spent > some time in the dining car and had a beer and a sandwich just to sit > down for awhile. Got to Venice by lunchtime our first day (pretty > tired), but OH MAN, when you step off that train and down the steps > and see the canal and the buildings it is a whole new world, and one > of the greatest single moments of visual splendor of mylife. >     People will tell you (and they’re right) don’t forget to validate > your ticket. You get a ticket at the ticket window, or in some cases, > at a little tobacco shop or some other venue, but you must remember to > run that ticket through the little yellow boxes before you get on the > train, because on almost every trip, you will be asked to show the > ticket, and it better be validated (there are horror stories about > huge fines, but the truth is, if you look honest and stupid and > American, like we did, they mostly just warn you and you apologize). >     The only "wrong move" in Venice is not to go. We also learned that > it’s pretty important to have a list of restaurants, and to start > living your day planning to eat dinner later. We ate the first meal at > 6:30 or 7:00 and the only place open on whatever Piazza we were near > was only adequate and pretty expensive. No one wants to plan every > meal, but planning a few "highlight" big meals here and there wherever > you are, and then supplementing that by just eating wonderful little > hot sandwiches and drinking coffee standing up in bars and through > vendors worked great. We stayed in the Dorsodoro section, and felt as > though that was a perfect combination of location/accessibility and > quiet (we learned that from the newsgroup). We stayed at Pensione > Seguso, which ran about 230,000 (a little over $100 at > the time), but this was off-season. >     Good note – negotiate the price and terms by fax and phone before > you go. I think if this would have been our 3rd or 4th trip, and we > went off-season again, we wouldn’t even make reservations. We’d go to > a nice area we wanted to stay in, and start wandering into lobbies, > asking to look at rooms, and then negotiate a price from there and we > would have saved money. Don’t set your bags down and start "checking > in" if you are still in the negotiation stage. Set them down by the > door, ask to see a room, and then ask how much, and then offer them > something you think is reasonable. We found that paying $100 in Venice > was pretty good, but that others (it was November) would go to a > 3-star and offer 150,000 and would get it, and when you ask to see a > room first, you know they’re going to show you a good one. >     Pensione Seguso was great – we got a corner room overlooking two > canals; there was a shared bath but we never saw anyone else as there > were 2 bathrooms on the 2nd floor and only 2 of the 4 or 5 rooms were > occupied. >     Can’t remember if Pensione Seguso had a website, but the fax > number from the US is 011-39-041-522-2340. It’s easy to get lost in > Venice, too, but who cares? People told us to be sure to take water > taxis and to avoid gondolas (they are wicked expensive), and honestly, > the water taxi is cheap and fun, and gets you everywhere you want to > go. >     From there, we took a train to Florence, and loved it! We were > told (wisely) to get tickets to both Accademia (Michelangelo’s David) > and the Uffizi ahead of time over the internet (saved us lots of time, > even in low season, to be able to have the tickets in hand and go in a > separate entrance). Walk from the train station to anywhere isn’t far > – and we went everywhere over a couple of days. The guidebooks tell > you the high points, but we just loved hanging around in the Ponte > Vecchio area. We stayed at the Hotel Torre Guelfa (about 270,000 a > night), (telephone 0039-055-2396338; fax > http://home.venere.it/firenze/torreguelfa which was a really nice > little place on a side-street, quiet and neat, with a rooftop lookout > where we took our breakfast and viewed the whole city. The Duomo of > Florence is fantastic. The Pitti Palace and surrounding grounds > (Boboli gardens) are awesome. It’s kind of a hike up to Michelangelo > gardens, but the view is out of this world. >     We never took a bus tour or anything anywhere. We used 2 > guidebooks and had done a lot of "list-building" before we went. >     One thing about Florence, and I mean this in a huge, huge way. You > MUST eat dinner the first night at a little place called "Casa Linga." > If you look at a map of Florence, you’ll see Santo Spirito on the > Pitti Palace side of the Arno river over the Ponte Vecchio. It’s > within a couple of blocks of that place, and isn’t open on Sunday > night. It is inexpensive and incredible. We would have eaten there > every night (of our lives!) if it wasn’t closed on that Sunday. I’m > suggesting you eat there your first night, because that’ll give you > the option of coming back again and again, and I think you will. >     Then we went by bus/train to Siena and loved it. The place we > stayed was a little off the beaten path (Hotel Minerva) but very clean > and cheap (120,000 Lit, about $55) and the town is small enough that > nothing is very far. >     Then we goofed up and missed our bus to Assisi (because the bus > actually goes to a stop called St. something or another that is only > "near" Assisi, and the bus driver told us that it wasn’t the bus to > Assisi, so we didn’t get on). We ended up going straight to Rome, and > we’re sorry we didn’t get to see more little towns (when people talk > about renting a car, it’s from Florence to Rome so you can see the > little towns along the way, and it might not be a bad idea, though > careful use of the bus or train will be fine). >     We loved our Rome hotel – Des Artistes – in Rome. I can’t find any > telephone numbers, but they were the best to work with on-line. They > have kind of a "live chat room" that you use to instant message back > and forth with the hotel and work out the reservations. I know if you > put in the words "Des Artistes Hotel Rome Italy" that you’ll find > their website. It’s a little near the train station for some, but we > thought it was great, and the rooms and price were outstanding for > Rome (I think it was 150,000 a night, about $70 for a double with > private bath, and a neat, neat room). Plus, the subway is really close > to there and gets you anywhere you want to go in no time. >     We did take two tours in Rome – the first by accident. We went to > the Coliseum, and a group offers free tours (and it really is free, > there’s no strings attached) in English. We took it, and tipped the > guy at the end about 10,000 lire, but they do the free tour to try to > sell you the "paid" tours, including a Rome at night, catacombs, etc. > We ended up paying for the Vatican/museum tour, which was about $40 or > $50, but that was worth it, too, for the whole day. >     Then, we took a train to Naples, a bus from there to Sorrento, and > the frightening cliffside bus to Positano and stayed at La Fenice in > Positano for 190,000 a night (for 5 nights, we loved it there). We > took day trips to Amalfi, and went to Capri (unfortunately, water was > too high to go to the Blue Grotto). Positano is a postcard – amazing. > But, and this can be a plus or a minus, there’s almost nothing to do. > Good food, beautiful scenery, but quiet in off-season as you’d expect. >     Note – bring a radio, and an umbrella! It rained a lot when we > were there, and the room had no TV, no radio, and you couldn’t use the > veranda when it rained, so you were in a room by yourselves. There are > other places to stay in Positano that are more "modern" but La Fenice > is great. You can stay up the hill in

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Tom, would like to hear more about your Italy trip.  Do you have a report posted somewhere?  We plan that same itinerary this spring, but need tips/suggestions, etc. bb

> My girlfriend and I went through Italy a year or so ago, from > Milan to Venice to Florence to Siena to Rome to Naples to Positano.

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> We too loved Florence – even in January, but our second favorite city > was Vienna for all the reasons you mentioned:  the food, the wine, the > warmth of the city and the people, the architecture, museums, the > numerous coffee houses/ cafes.  It is very different from Florence, > but offers the same level of rewards.  Give it a try.  We were there > in the Spring which may have helped.

Vienna is and looks different from Florence, but not as much as you think. There is a secret relationship between Florence and Vienna – for a couple of centuries the Archduke of Tuscany was the second in the succession line of the Hapsburg house, so the brother of the Austrian emperor, and even happened that the Archduke Pietro Leopoldo was summarily rounded up as emperor Leopold II when his brother Joseph II died. There are some spots in Florence (unlikely that a tourist hits them, like the collegio at Poggio Imperiale, a former Hapsburg-Lorraine villa – or the aptly named Kaffeehaus in Boboli) that look very like being in Vienna. In any case, I second that a trip to Vienna is always well spent.

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    bb- Oh, man, where to begin! I’ll try to give you a few do’s and don’ts that we picked up – I’d put these in the category of "small tips" rather than sweeping cruise-director itineraries.     First and foremost, we never did rent a car. So many people told us not to have one at all in Florence, Venice, Rome and Naples (and they were right – all around you are traffic snares, and it’s way more fun to laugh at the travails of others while you walk faster than they drive) that we figured it just wouldn’t ever be worth it. And public transportation was great – I’ll look around for websites and such that gave us bus and train information before we left (I know, bb, that if you ask on the newsgroup that you’ll get an instant reply to that question if I can’t find it). Also, vis a vis transportation, we didn’t buy any sort of Eurail pass or otherpass. It wasn’t worth it, and the individual tickets were always cheaper than the packages and gave us way more flexibility without adding significant time to what we were doing. For instance, if we arrived in a city and knew when we were leaving again, we’d buy the tickets right there for the next leg of the trip. Otherwise, being a little cautious, we’d show up 45 minutes early anyway and that gives you plenty of time to buy tickets for the next trip. (I did notice in another post that they are requesting reservations on train trips now – they didn’t when I went, but if it’s true, that changes everything about what I just said).     Well, we arrived in Milan and went directly from the airport to the train station (about 45 minutes by bus, which was fun and way less money than a taxi), then went by train to Venice, which was also a nice trip. The train was crowded and I think on that leg we ended up sitting on our luggage in the aisle, but didn’t care a bit. We spent some time in the dining car and had a beer and a sandwich just to sit down for awhile. Got to Venice by lunchtime our first day (pretty tired), but OH MAN, when you step off that train and down the steps and see the canal and the buildings it is a whole new world, and one of the greatest single moments of visual splendor of mylife.     People will tell you (and they’re right) don’t forget to validate your ticket. You get a ticket at the ticket window, or in some cases, at a little tobacco shop or some other venue, but you must remember to run that ticket through the little yellow boxes before you get on the train, because on almost every trip, you will be asked to show the ticket, and it better be validated (there are horror stories about huge fines, but the truth is, if you look honest and stupid and American, like we did, they mostly just warn you and you apologize).     The only "wrong move" in Venice is not to go. We also learned that it’s pretty important to have a list of restaurants, and to start living your day planning to eat dinner later. We ate the first meal at 6:30 or 7:00 and the only place open on whatever Piazza we were near was only adequate and pretty expensive. No one wants to plan every meal, but planning a few "highlight" big meals here and there wherever you are, and then supplementing that by just eating wonderful little hot sandwiches and drinking coffee standing up in bars and through vendors worked great. We stayed in the Dorsodoro section, and felt as though that was a perfect combination of location/accessibility and quiet (we learned that from the newsgroup). We stayed at Pensione Seguso, which ran about 230,000 (a little over $100 at the time), but this was off-season.     Good note – negotiate the price and terms by fax and phone before you go. I think if this would have been our 3rd or 4th trip, and we went off-season again, we wouldn’t even make reservations. We’d go to a nice area we wanted to stay in, and start wandering into lobbies, asking to look at rooms, and then negotiate a price from there and we would have saved money. Don’t set your bags down and start "checking in" if you are still in the negotiation stage. Set them down by the door, ask to see a room, and then ask how much, and then offer them something you think is reasonable. We found that paying $100 in Venice was pretty good, but that others (it was November) would go to a 3-star and offer 150,000 and would get it, and when you ask to see a room first, you know they’re going to show you a good one.     Pensione Seguso was great – we got a corner room overlooking two canals; there was a shared bath but we never saw anyone else as there were 2 bathrooms on the 2nd floor and only 2 of the 4 or 5 rooms were occupied.     Can’t remember if Pensione Seguso had a website, but the fax number from the US is 011-39-041-522-2340. It’s easy to get lost in Venice, too, but who cares? People told us to be sure to take water taxis and to avoid gondolas (they are wicked expensive), and honestly, the water taxi is cheap and fun, and gets you everywhere you want to go.     From there, we took a train to Florence, and loved it! We were told (wisely) to get tickets to both Accademia (Michelangelo’s David) and the Uffizi ahead of time over the internet (saved us lots of time, even in low season, to be able to have the tickets in hand and go in a separate entrance). Walk from the train station to anywhere isn’t far – and we went everywhere over a couple of days. The guidebooks tell you the high points, but we just loved hanging around in the Ponte Vecchio area. We stayed at the Hotel Torre Guelfa (about 270,000 a night), (telephone 0039-055-2396338; fax http://home.venere.it/firenze/torreguelfa which was a really nice little place on a side-street, quiet and neat, with a rooftop lookout where we took our breakfast and viewed the whole city. The Duomo of Florence is fantastic. The Pitti Palace and surrounding grounds (Boboli gardens) are awesome. It’s kind of a hike up to Michelangelo gardens, but the view is out of this world.     We never took a bus tour or anything anywhere. We used 2 guidebooks and had done a lot of "list-building" before we went.     One thing about Florence, and I mean this in a huge, huge way. You MUST eat dinner the first night at a little place called "Casa Linga." If you look at a map of Florence, you’ll see Santo Spirito on the Pitti Palace side of the Arno river over the Ponte Vecchio. It’s within a couple of blocks of that place, and isn’t open on Sunday night. It is inexpensive and incredible. We would have eaten there every night (of our lives!) if it wasn’t closed on that Sunday. I’m suggesting you eat there your first night, because that’ll give you the option of coming back again and again, and I think you will.     Then we went by bus/train to Siena and loved it. The place we stayed was a little off the beaten path (Hotel Minerva) but very clean and cheap (120,000 Lit, about $55) and the town is small enough that nothing is very far.     Then we goofed up and missed our bus to Assisi (because the bus actually goes to a stop called St. something or another that is only "near" Assisi, and the bus driver told us that it wasn’t the bus to Assisi, so we didn’t get on). We ended up going straight to Rome, and we’re sorry we didn’t get to see more little towns (when people talk about renting a car, it’s from Florence to Rome so you can see the little towns along the way, and it might not be a bad idea, though careful use of the bus or train will be fine).     We loved our Rome hotel – Des Artistes – in Rome. I can’t find any telephone numbers, but they were the best to work with on-line. They have kind of a "live chat room" that you use to instant message back and forth with the hotel and work out the reservations. I know if you put in the words "Des Artistes Hotel Rome Italy" that you’ll find their website. It’s a little near the train station for some, but we thought it was great, and the rooms and price were outstanding for Rome (I think it was 150,000 a night, about $70 for a double with private bath, and a neat, neat room). Plus, the subway is really close to there and gets you anywhere you want to go in no time.     We did take two tours in Rome – the first by accident. We went to the Coliseum, and a group offers free tours (and it really is free, there’s no strings attached) in English. We took it, and tipped the guy at the end about 10,000 lire, but they do the free tour to try to sell you the "paid" tours, including a Rome at night, catacombs, etc. We ended up paying for the Vatican/museum tour, which was about $40 or $50, but that was worth it, too, for the whole day.     Then, we took a train to Naples, a bus from there to Sorrento, and the frightening cliffside bus to Positano and stayed at La Fenice in Positano for 190,000 a night (for 5 nights, we loved it there). We took day trips to Amalfi, and went to Capri (unfortunately, water was too high to go to the Blue Grotto). Positano is a postcard – amazing. But, and this can be a plus or a minus, there’s almost nothing to do. Good food, beautiful scenery, but quiet in off-season as you’d expect.     Note – bring a radio, and an umbrella! It rained a lot when we were there, and the room had no TV, no radio, and you couldn’t use the veranda when it rained, so you were in a room by yourselves. There are other places to stay in Positano that are more "modern" but La Fenice is great. You can stay up the hill in the "hotel" proper, or in a room down the hill toward the sea (all of the rooms are separate buildings down there). La Seguso takes only cash! Costantino is a great guy, and you’ll love the ducks! 011-39-089-811309 is the fax number to make a reservation. He’ll fax you back. Make sure to request the cottages close to the sea, and tell him what nights you’ll be staying, and what kind of room (1 double, private bath, for 2 people, for instance), then let him quote you a price, and maybe negotiate with him a little. You can do all this in English, too, by the way.     We hauled

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I am planning a trip to Europe after this year of college, so what is the top places that I absolutely can NOT miss?  Thanks.

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What are your interests?  For me Vienna would be on the top of the list, but not everyone shares my passion for opera and classical music. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am planning a trip to Europe after this year of college, so what is > the top places that I absolutely can NOT miss?  Thanks.

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> I am planning a trip to Europe after this year of college, so what is > the top places that I absolutely can NOT miss?  Thanks.

Perhaps I can quote from the FAQ: 6. I’m going to Europe for the first time. Where should I go? A common mistake is to try to see too much on a short trip. "Major" cities such as Paris, Rome and London are easily worth an entire week, even on a first trip. Even "minor" cities are worth an overnight stay. As a rough rule of thumb, don’t try to visit more than one country for every week of your trip. — Francais / English / Esperanto Esperanto FAQ: http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq.html Rec.travel.europe FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/travel/europe/faq

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> Perhaps I can quote from the FAQ:

Except that I quoted from the wrong section. Sorry. 11. What should I see during my trip? If you want to ask for advice about attractions, please say something about your interests. Are you looking for architecture, fine food, discos, night life, museums, landscapes? The more we know about your preferences, the more we can help you. — Francais / English / Esperanto Esperanto FAQ: http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq.html Rec.travel.europe FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/travel/europe/faq

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I also think it helps to know what time of the year the trip will take place.  I think Italy would be on everyone’s "must see" list, but I also think that most experienced travelers on this list wouldn’t recommend it for a late July-August trip.  You certainly can see Italy then, but I don’t think you can enjoy it as much as you would in the spring or fall.  Similarly, I love Copenhagen, but would only recommend it for July or August. Paul >If you want to ask for advice about attractions, please say something >about your interests. Are you looking for architecture, fine food, >discos, night life, museums, landscapes? The more we know about your >preferences, the more we can help you.

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Spend at least three days in Florence, and while there, don’t miss the Santa Croce.  It has the tombs of Michelangelo, Machiavelli and Galileo.  Plus hundreds more, sculptures, frescos….  I had no pre-conceived expectations and it wowed me.  The memory of it still wows me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am planning a trip to Europe after this year of college, so what is > the top places that I absolutely can NOT miss?  Thanks.

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> I also think it helps to know what time of the year the trip will take > place.  I think Italy would be on everyone’s "must see" list, but I > also think that most experienced travelers on this list wouldn’t > recommend it for a late July-August trip.  You certainly can see > Italy then, but I don’t think you can enjoy it as much as you would in > the spring or fall.  Similarly, I love Copenhagen, but would only > recommend it for July or August.

I don’t exactly agree with that as far as Italy goes. I discourage people from visiting Florence in the summer, because it’s just too crowded, but I have taken very pleasant trips in Italy in high summer. It’s a very good time to visit little hill towns in central Italy. The weather is usually very pleasant. Where I live (in Le Marche), it has never been as hot as a typical summer in New Jersey, where I used to live. This past summer is the hottest I’ve experienced so far, but that means high 80’s/low 90’s Fahrenheit (low 30’s Centigrade). There are countless beautiful little towns that get very little tourism and extend a warm welcome. There are also many village festivals and special cultural events. Even Rome and Venice can be enjoyed in July and August. In Rome, the busiest season is actually September and early October, and hotel prices are often lower in August. Anyway, Rome is a big city and absorbs the crowds well. Venice has a few very crowded canals and piazzas, but also many quiet little nooks and canals where you can enjoy peace even at the busiest times. Barbara

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> I don’t exactly agree with that as far as Italy goes. I discourage > people from visiting Florence in the summer, because it’s just too > crowded, but I have taken very pleasant trips in Italy in high summer.

I discourage people from visiting Florence in the summer because it’s just too hot. Florence is surrounded by hills and in the mid of the day there is absolutely no wind, while the sun can be unrelentless.    Home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/archivarius                    (musicologia pratica)

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> > I don’t exactly agree with that as far as Italy goes. I discourage > people from visiting Florence in the summer, because it’s just too > crowded, but I have taken very pleasant trips in Italy in high summer. > I discourage people from visiting Florence in the summer because it’s > just too hot. Florence is surrounded by hills and in the mid of the day > there is absolutely no wind, while the sun can be unrelentless.

Yes, it’s hot, but no hotter than any city in the Northeast US in the summer, not to mention those in the south. The heat doesn’t bother me as much as the crowds. Barbara

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Well my point was, more heat, more crowds, more competition for hotel rooms, train seats, resturaunt seats, museum views, etc etc.  May not bother you, but IMO, the average tourist would have a better, if not more relaxed time in the spring or fall.  This may only apply to the large cities, as you say. Paul >Yes, it’s hot, but no hotter than any city in the Northeast US in the >summer, not to mention those in the south. The heat doesn’t bother me as >much as the crowds. >Barbara

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I am planning a trip to Europe after this year of college, so what is the top places that I absolutely can NOT miss?  Thanks.

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What are your interests?  For me Vienna would be on the top of the list, but not everyone shares my passion for opera and classical music. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am planning a trip to Europe after this year of college, so what is > the top places that I absolutely can NOT miss?  Thanks.

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> I am planning a trip to Europe after this year of college, so what is > the top places that I absolutely can NOT miss?  Thanks.

Perhaps I can quote from the FAQ: 6. I’m going to Europe for the first time. Where should I go? A common mistake is to try to see too much on a short trip. "Major" cities such as Paris, Rome and London are easily worth an entire week, even on a first trip. Even "minor" cities are worth an overnight stay. As a rough rule of thumb, don’t try to visit more than one country for every week of your trip. — Francais / English / Esperanto Esperanto FAQ: http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq.html Rec.travel.europe FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/travel/europe/faq

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> Perhaps I can quote from the FAQ:

Except that I quoted from the wrong section. Sorry. 11. What should I see during my trip? If you want to ask for advice about attractions, please say something about your interests. Are you looking for architecture, fine food, discos, night life, museums, landscapes? The more we know about your preferences, the more we can help you. — Francais / English / Esperanto Esperanto FAQ: http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq.html Rec.travel.europe FAQ: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/travel/europe/faq

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I also think it helps to know what time of the year the trip will take place.  I think Italy would be on everyone’s "must see" list, but I also think that most experienced travelers on this list wouldn’t recommend it for a late July-August trip.  You certainly can see Italy then, but I don’t think you can enjoy it as much as you would in the spring or fall.  Similarly, I love Copenhagen, but would only recommend it for July or August. Paul >If you want to ask for advice about attractions, please say something >about your interests. Are you looking for architecture, fine food, >discos, night life, museums, landscapes? The more we know about your >preferences, the more we can help you.

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Spend at least three days in Florence, and while there, don’t miss the Santa Croce.  It has the tombs of Michelangelo, Machiavelli and Galileo.  Plus hundreds more, sculptures, frescos….  I had no pre-conceived expectations and it wowed me.  The memory of it still wows me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am planning a trip to Europe after this year of college, so what is > the top places that I absolutely can NOT miss?  Thanks.

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> I also think it helps to know what time of the year the trip will take > place.  I think Italy would be on everyone’s "must see" list, but I > also think that most experienced travelers on this list wouldn’t > recommend it for a late July-August trip.  You certainly can see > Italy then, but I don’t think you can enjoy it as much as you would in > the spring or fall.  Similarly, I love Copenhagen, but would only > recommend it for July or August.

I don’t exactly agree with that as far as Italy goes. I discourage people from visiting Florence in the summer, because it’s just too crowded, but I have taken very pleasant trips in Italy in high summer. It’s a very good time to visit little hill towns in central Italy. The weather is usually very pleasant. Where I live (in Le Marche), it has never been as hot as a typical summer in New Jersey, where I used to live. This past summer is the hottest I’ve experienced so far, but that means high 80’s/low 90’s Fahrenheit (low 30’s Centigrade). There are countless beautiful little towns that get very little tourism and extend a warm welcome. There are also many village festivals and special cultural events. Even Rome and Venice can be enjoyed in July and August. In Rome, the busiest season is actually September and early October, and hotel prices are often lower in August. Anyway, Rome is a big city and absorbs the crowds well. Venice has a few very crowded canals and piazzas, but also many quiet little nooks and canals where you can enjoy peace even at the busiest times. Barbara

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> I don’t exactly agree with that as far as Italy goes. I discourage > people from visiting Florence in the summer, because it’s just too > crowded, but I have taken very pleasant trips in Italy in high summer.

I discourage people from visiting Florence in the summer because it’s just too hot. Florence is surrounded by hills and in the mid of the day there is absolutely no wind, while the sun can be unrelentless.    Home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/archivarius                    (musicologia pratica)

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> > I don’t exactly agree with that as far as Italy goes. I discourage > people from visiting Florence in the summer, because it’s just too > crowded, but I have taken very pleasant trips in Italy in high summer. > I discourage people from visiting Florence in the summer because it’s > just too hot. Florence is surrounded by hills and in the mid of the day > there is absolutely no wind, while the sun can be unrelentless.

Yes, it’s hot, but no hotter than any city in the Northeast US in the summer, not to mention those in the south. The heat doesn’t bother me as much as the crowds. Barbara

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Well my point was, more heat, more crowds, more competition for hotel rooms, train seats, resturaunt seats, museum views, etc etc.  May not bother you, but IMO, the average tourist would have a better, if not more relaxed time in the spring or fall.  This may only apply to the large cities, as you say. Paul >Yes, it’s hot, but no hotter than any city in the Northeast US in the >summer, not to mention those in the south. The heat doesn’t bother me as >much as the crowds. >Barbara

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Ice, Are you emailable? I need to ask you about your review. Greg

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Followins is a day by day discussion of our 6/3 Rme- Venice trip. Again, > apologies is this is a duplicate posting. > The Blow-By-Blow: > Day 1-Rome (Pre-cruise) > In Rome we stayed at the Hotel Condotti 29 Palo Bianco Suites on Via Condotti, > about a block from the Spanish Steps. I booked this on the internet from the > Hotel Reservation Network (HRN) and it was a great find. It is a very small inn > (6 rooms), more like a B & B. Breakfast was included as was a fruit basket in > the room and wine in the early evening. The staff were very helpful and > accommodating. The room itself was nicely appointed but compact. However the > bathroom was very large and clean with nice amenities. > The first day in Rome we opted for a walking tour of ancient Rome offered by > American Express (a block off the Spanish Steps). This was an excellent > four-hour tour that took us through the Roman and Imperial Forums; visited a few > very old churches, include San Pietro in Vincoli (the church that houses > Michelangelo’s "Moses" and the chains that held St. Peter; the Coliseum; and > other sites in that area. The guide was an art historian by profession and was > knowledgeable and spoke excellent English. That evening we walked along the > Tiber River and crossed over and visited the Castel San Angelo. > Day 2 (Pre-cruise) > We took our own walking tour down around the Pantheon, visiting several of the > churches along the way, the Piazza Navona and the Trevi Fountain and came back > by way of the Spanish Steps just in time for even strolling ritual, called the > passiegata, that Romans indulge in. There were so many people strolling the > streets, sitting on the steps and piazzas that there could not have been too > many people left any place else in Rome. The atmosphere was festive and people > were friendly but we were still cautious of possible pickpockets and speeding > motor scooters. My other observation is that no Roman women seem to be over a > size 6! In general they dress better than we do and the clothes in shop windows > were lovely-if you wear a 6. Maybe all this walking keeps them slim. The women > also wore leather shoes with high narrow heels and often no backs. I have no > clue how they manage on cobblestone streets but they do. > Day 3 (Embarkation) > The following morning we walked up to the Piazza del Popolo and strolled the > Borghese Gardens. Very relaxing and it was fun to see Roman families at play. > Around 1:00 our limo driver, Bob Francini (an American) and owner of Rome Limo > Service picked us and took us to Civitavecchia to the ship. Cost was $150 and > well worth it. I can highly recommend this company. > Check in was quick and painless and we boarded the R5 within 15 minutes of > arriving. It was like coming home. We enjoyed our cabin from the last cruise > (7000) so much we took it again. It is center, forward directly under the bridge > and a great location for watching the ship pull into port. Unfortunately, this > year for some reason we almost always backed in to dock so the people in the aft > cabins ended up with the better view. The ship remains just as clean and lovely > as she was in September. This just a beautiful ship and the perfect size for me. > Since we usually take the ship’s tours because of the convenience, the first > priority for the afternoon was picking our tours. They were offering $10 off > each tour if you booked 7 or more up front so we were forced to make decisions > based only on the short blurbs in the cruise literature. On the last trip, they > ran a video (about 45 min long) that briefly detailed every tour so you had a > sense of what was each was like before booking. This time they only ran the > video for the immediate upcoming port the day before. This was frustrating and I > wish they would go back to giving information on everything upfront, especially > if they are encouraging you to book all at once. > Day 4 Rome-Vatican > We originally intended to take the all-day Private View of the Vatican tour but > for some reason it was not available. We never did find out why. The tour desk > personnel are pretty useless. They can rarely answer your questions except with > guesses ("I think.", "usually.", "probably."). We opted for the Vatican Museum > tour instead. Bus trip to Rome took about an hour and then there were rush hour > delays in the city that took another 20 minutes. The line to get into the > Vatican Museum was incredibly long; it went on for blocks! But it moved > relatively fast and we got into the museum in about an hour. Many people were > upset and complained, but we just rolled with the punches and used the time to > talk to our tour guide, Nicola.  The Vatican is a "must see". We barely > scratched the surface in only a day but the painting and sculptures and > architecture are amazing. The Sistine Chapel lives up to it’s billing and is > beautiful and the colors are rich. It almost looks 3-dimensional in places. We > then went into St. Peter’s Basilica. Be sure to wear clothing that covers your > knees and shoulders. We opted for long sun dresses with jackets almost every day > since we were in and out of churches and cathedrals all the time. Also found > them cooler than shorts and pants. Lunch on our own near the Via Veneto and then > ended with a driving tour through Rome. > One other reminder-public toilets generally cost 500-1000 lira (roughly 25-50 > cents). Our bus made a pit stop at a roadside gas station/restaurant on the way > to Rome. There was a matron handing out toilet paper. She did not speak English > but tried to show the people ahead of us in line that she expected a tip. Most > of the guests were not prepared for this and had no money on them. By the time I > got up there she left in a huff because no one was tipping her and took the > toilet paper with her! Fortunately I came prepared so no problem. I would > recommend buying WC packets from Magellan’s. They include toilet paper, > wet-wipes and seat covers in flat sealed pouches that are easy to carry. They > come in packs of 10. > Day 5 Cannes > Another gorgeous day (sunny, upper 70’s, slight breeze). We chose the half day > St. Paul de Vence/Grasse tour. St. Paul de Vence is a walled medieval city on a > high cliff looking out over the Med about 20 miles from Cannes. This is a great > stop! Charming city, fun to stroll around in, full of history. Most of the old > buildings now house boutiques and a lot of art galleries. I would have loved > more time here. The visit to the perfume factory at Grasse is a total waste. > Grasse is the known for making 75% of the essences used to make perfume but the > "factory" on the tour is nothing more than a sales job, to get you to buy their > products. It was like watching QVC. Would have much preferred spending the > additional time in St. Paul. Spent the afternoon strolling Cannes and took a > little tourist train ride through town seeing how the rich people live. > Recommendation: There are two tourist trains (little linked trolley cars)-about > $5. One goes up to the old city on the hill. The other goes by the luxury homes > and hotels. We didn’t know this and ended up getting on the wrong train. We > wanted to visit the historic city but saw the ritzy part of town instead. > Many people opted for the trip to Monte Carlo but were not happy. The roads were > under construction and the delays to get there were so long that they had to > hurry through town and didn’t get to spend much time there. Other people were > denied entry into the Grand Casino because they wanted to see your passport. The > ship announced this but some people either never heard it or ignored it. > Day 6 Portofino > We signed up for the Dreamboating on the Riveria tour, a boat trip along the > coast to a few small towns and monestery. Unfortunately, it rained in the > morning and the trip was canceled. By 11:00 am, however the sun came out and it > turned into a gorgeous day. We tendered into Portofino and strolled around. This > is my favorite stop! It is beautiful and charming. Very small and easy to walk > around and post-card pretty. In fact, it lives up to all the pictures I’ve ever > seen. And surprisingly it looks just like the Universal Studio’s Portofino > Resort Hotel in Orlando, FL. J. We ended up walking up a path that took us to > the Hotel Splendido high up on the hill overlooking the yacht harbor. If we had > realized how high up we were going, we probably never would have made the hike > but it turned out to be a relatively easy walk. Got to the hotel and sat on the > balcony caf

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> I will be renting a car in Tuscany in June to tour around the > countryside.  One day I would like to drive to Florence, park the car > and explore on foot.  Is parking fairly easy to find and manuever, or > would I be better advised to take the train from Siena (where I will > be staying) into Florence?  Thanks for any help. > Craig

Well I hate driving to Florence (even if the car park is out of the city center) so I normally take the bus (the train takes to long) bus is less than an hour from Siena Piazza Gramsci to the train station in the center of Florence.  Easy, frequent and no hassles. Cristina from Siena

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<snip> The parking lot in Piazzale Michelangelo is very >easy to get to, specially if you come from Siena. >There is a parking in a building on Via Alimandi, just across the street >from the central station.  It’s very convenient.<snip> > ><snip>. One day I would like to drive to Florence, park the car > > and explore on foot.  Is parking fairly easy to find and manuever, or > > would I be better advised to take the train from Siena (where I will > > be staying) into Florence?  <snip>

In the autumn we made two daytrips to Florence. The first daytrip was a little difficult – couldn’t find the parking lots or at least one with space and ended up in a northern suburb and then we took a taxi into the historic centre. In the evening we drove out of the city on the unfamiliar autostrada with too many lane merges. It worked but we were a little frazzled! The next time we went into Florence for the day, we went by train. Cheap and convenient. I recommend using public transportation! From Siena, I believe the bus is better. Frances — From thewests who are at sympatico dot ca Toronto, Canada

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I will be renting a car in Tuscany in June to tour around the countryside.  One day I would like to drive to Florence, park the car and explore on foot.  Is parking fairly easy to find and manuever, or would I be better advised to take the train from Siena (where I will be staying) into Florence?  Thanks for any help. Craig

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> I will be renting a car in Tuscany in June to tour around the > countryside.  One day I would like to drive to Florence, park the car > and explore on foot.  Is parking fairly easy to find and manuever, or > would I be better advised to take the train from Siena (where I will > be staying) into Florence?  Thanks for any help. > Craig

There’s a large, free (at least it was the last time I was there a couple of year’s ago) car park at Piazzale Michelangelo. This is a little bit to the east of the city centre and on the opposite side of the River Arno up in the hills to the side of the river. From there you can get a bus to the centre, though we walked in. It’s not very far and there is a mixture of steps and zig-zag paths that take you down to the road by the side of the Arno. You can then walk along and enter the main part of the city via the Ponte Vecchio, which is a pretty good entrance to Florence! By the way the view of Florence from the car park is magnificent. It’s quite literally a postcard view as if you look at the small print on a lot of postcards you’ll see they were taken from there. Enjoy your visit. I guarantee that it won’t be long enough! Pete Dr. P. L. Birch Department of Biological Sciences University of Paisley PAISLEY PA1 2BE UK Tel: +44 (0)141 848 3123

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I agree with Peter Birch.  The parking lot in Piazzale Michelangelo is very easy to get to, specially if you come from Siena. There is a parking in a building on Via Alimandi, just across the street from the central station.  It’s very convenient. We stayed for more than a week in a villa on the outskirts of Siena a few years ago. Twice we went to Florence on a no-toll auto-strada. Only 50 minutes. Enjoy your trip, Ismael Libanio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I will be renting a car in Tuscany in June to tour around the > countryside.  One day I would like to drive to Florence, park the car > and explore on foot.  Is parking fairly easy to find and manuever, or > would I be better advised to take the train from Siena (where I will > be staying) into Florence?  Thanks for any help. > Craig > There’s a large, free (at least it was the last time I was there a > couple of year’s ago) car park at Piazzale Michelangelo. This is a > little bit to the east of the city centre and on the opposite side of > the River Arno up in the hills to the side of the river. From there you > can get a bus to the centre, though we walked in. It’s not very far and > there is a mixture of steps and zig-zag paths that take you down to the > road by the side of the Arno. You can then walk along and enter the main > part of the city via the Ponte Vecchio, which is a pretty good entrance > to Florence! By the way the view of Florence from the car park is > magnificent. It’s quite literally a postcard view as if you look at the > small print on a lot of postcards you’ll see they were taken from there. > Enjoy your visit. I guarantee that it won’t be long enough! > Pete > Dr. P. L. Birch > Department of Biological Sciences > University of Paisley > PAISLEY > PA1 2BE > UK > Tel: +44 (0)141 848 3123

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Hello We are taking a trip to Tuscany in September and have hired a car.  We are only going to be about 18 miles from Florence and would like to drive in on a few occassions.  However I understand that parking in Florence is a nightmare.  What’s the best thing to do?  Can you park in the outskirs and get a bus in for example? Any help gratefully received!

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 well there is a nice parking place right under the main train station  santa maria novella. so it will take you only a few minutes walk to the main monuments square and galleria degli uffizi.  as far as i know. they only take cash there. no credit cards.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello > We are taking a trip to Tuscany in September and have hired a car.  We > are only going to be about 18 miles from Florence and would like to > drive in on a few occassions.  However I understand that parking in > Florence is a nightmare.  What’s the best thing to do?  Can you park > in the outskirs and get a bus in for example? > Any help gratefully received!

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The inner streets are a maze ( in the impenetrable sense) of one way streets and multi-directions. Best to stay out of town.  If you are coming from the south there is a large lot within walking distance, just across the river. I would guess there are close-in lots in other directions, although I don’t remember one from the East. rjf

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello > We are taking a trip to Tuscany in September and have hired a car.  We > are only going to be about 18 miles from Florence and would like to > drive in on a few occassions.  However I understand that parking in > Florence is a nightmare.  What’s the best thing to do?  Can you park > in the outskirs and get a bus in for example? > Any help gratefully received!

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> The inner streets are a maze ( in the impenetrable sense) of one way streets > and multi-directions. Best to stay out of town.  If you are coming from the > south there is a large lot within walking distance, just across the river. I > would guess there are close-in lots in other directions, although I don’t > remember one from the East. > rjf

Not only the centre is a maze, but you aren’t allowed to access it if you aren’t a centre resident, or you have an authorization (for example, if your hotel is in a central zone). Basically any parking within walking distance from the centre is either reserved to residents or you have to pay. The largest central lots are at Fortezza da Basso, under the railway station and under the parterre area at Piazza della Liberta’. If I remember, these lots cost Lit.3000/hour, but with a daily price cap (I don’t remember how much). You have now to pay for parking even in semicentral zones. Either you look for a parking in quite peripheric zones, or there should be parkings at the very entry of the city. Don’t forget that during one night every week the road gets cleaned. During that night the parking is forbidden and offending cars get towed away just after midnight. At the beginning of each road block there is a sign stating which night of the week the street has to be left free. (Not in the very centre, where mobile signs are used). Don’t be tempted to dodge with toll parkings. Checks are very frequent.

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>18 miles from Florence and would like to >drive in >Can you park >in the outskirs and get a bus in for example?

We do just that when we stay outside Florence. If you will be staying to the south, drive to Galluzzo and look for soccer ball signs which lead to the stadium.  You can park all day for no cost.  Bus stops are up and down the central road through Galluzzo and have good signage, indicating various stops in the city.  The ride in takes perhaps 10 minutes.  Buy your passes at the local tabac… Carol L

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There’s a place on the southside of town called Bellevue or Bella Vista, something like that (sorry it’s a few years back, memory fading), with exactly that  - a view out across the river and the old city. It’s also a major bus terminal with a big car park – sounds like what you need? That’s how we parked in Florence anyway. It’s just a few Kms from the city centre. Tom Clleven schrieb: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->18 miles from Florence and would like to >drive in >Can you park >in the outskirs and get a bus in for example? > We do just that when we stay outside Florence. If you will be staying to the > south, drive to Galluzzo and look for soccer ball signs which lead to the > stadium.  You can park all day for no cost.  Bus stops are up and down the > central road through Galluzzo and have good signage, indicating various stops > in the city.  The ride in takes perhaps 10 minutes.  Buy your passes at the > local tabac… > Carol L

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Belvedere?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There’s a place on the southside of town called Bellevue or Bella Vista, > something like that (sorry it’s a few years back, memory fading), with > exactly that  - a view out across the river and the old city. It’s also > a major bus terminal with a big car park – sounds like what you need? > That’s how we parked in Florence anyway. > It’s just a few Kms from the city centre. > Tom > Clleven schrieb: > >18 miles from Florence and would like to > >drive in > >Can you park > >in the outskirs and get a bus in for example? > We do just that when we stay outside Florence. If you will be staying to the > south, drive to Galluzzo and look for soccer ball signs which lead to the > stadium.  You can park all day for no cost.  Bus stops are up and down the > central road through Galluzzo and have good signage, indicating various stops > in the city.  The ride in takes perhaps 10 minutes.  Buy your passes at the > local tabac… > Carol L

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Hello We are taking a trip to Tuscany in September and have hired a car.  We are only going to be about 18 miles from Florence and would like to drive in on a few occassions.  However I understand that parking in Florence is a nightmare.  What’s the best thing to do?  Can you park in the outskirs and get a bus in for example? Any help gratefully received!

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 well there is a nice parking place right under the main train station  santa maria novella. so it will take you only a few minutes walk to the main monuments square and galleria degli uffizi.  as far as i know. they only take cash there. no credit cards.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello > We are taking a trip to Tuscany in September and have hired a car.  We > are only going to be about 18 miles from Florence and would like to > drive in on a few occassions.  However I understand that parking in > Florence is a nightmare.  What’s the best thing to do?  Can you park > in the outskirs and get a bus in for example? > Any help gratefully received!

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The inner streets are a maze ( in the impenetrable sense) of one way streets and multi-directions. Best to stay out of town.  If you are coming from the south there is a large lot within walking distance, just across the river. I would guess there are close-in lots in other directions, although I don’t remember one from the East. rjf

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello > We are taking a trip to Tuscany in September and have hired a car.  We > are only going to be about 18 miles from Florence and would like to > drive in on a few occassions.  However I understand that parking in > Florence is a nightmare.  What’s the best thing to do?  Can you park > in the outskirs and get a bus in for example? > Any help gratefully received!

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> The inner streets are a maze ( in the impenetrable sense) of one way streets > and multi-directions. Best to stay out of town.  If you are coming from the > south there is a large lot within walking distance, just across the river. I > would guess there are close-in lots in other directions, although I don’t > remember one from the East. > rjf

Not only the centre is a maze, but you aren’t allowed to access it if you aren’t a centre resident, or you have an authorization (for example, if your hotel is in a central zone). Basically any parking within walking distance from the centre is either reserved to residents or you have to pay. The largest central lots are at Fortezza da Basso, under the railway station and under the parterre area at Piazza della Liberta’. If I remember, these lots cost Lit.3000/hour, but with a daily price cap (I don’t remember how much). You have now to pay for parking even in semicentral zones. Either you look for a parking in quite peripheric zones, or there should be parkings at the very entry of the city. Don’t forget that during one night every week the road gets cleaned. During that night the parking is forbidden and offending cars get towed away just after midnight. At the beginning of each road block there is a sign stating which night of the week the street has to be left free. (Not in the very centre, where mobile signs are used). Don’t be tempted to dodge with toll parkings. Checks are very frequent.

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>18 miles from Florence and would like to >drive in >Can you park >in the outskirs and get a bus in for example?

We do just that when we stay outside Florence. If you will be staying to the south, drive to Galluzzo and look for soccer ball signs which lead to the stadium.  You can park all day for no cost.  Bus stops are up and down the central road through Galluzzo and have good signage, indicating various stops in the city.  The ride in takes perhaps 10 minutes.  Buy your passes at the local tabac… Carol L

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There’s a place on the southside of town called Bellevue or Bella Vista, something like that (sorry it’s a few years back, memory fading), with exactly that  - a view out across the river and the old city. It’s also a major bus terminal with a big car park – sounds like what you need? That’s how we parked in Florence anyway. It’s just a few Kms from the city centre. Tom Clleven schrieb: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->18 miles from Florence and would like to >drive in >Can you park >in the outskirs and get a bus in for example? > We do just that when we stay outside Florence. If you will be staying to the > south, drive to Galluzzo and look for soccer ball signs which lead to the > stadium.  You can park all day for no cost.  Bus stops are up and down the > central road through Galluzzo and have good signage, indicating various stops > in the city.  The ride in takes perhaps 10 minutes.  Buy your passes at the > local tabac… > Carol L

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Belvedere?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There’s a place on the southside of town called Bellevue or Bella Vista, > something like that (sorry it’s a few years back, memory fading), with > exactly that  - a view out across the river and the old city. It’s also > a major bus terminal with a big car park – sounds like what you need? > That’s how we parked in Florence anyway. > It’s just a few Kms from the city centre. > Tom > Clleven schrieb: > >18 miles from Florence and would like to > >drive in > >Can you park > >in the outskirs and get a bus in for example? > We do just that when we stay outside Florence. If you will be staying to the > south, drive to Galluzzo and look for soccer ball signs which lead to the > stadium.  You can park all day for no cost.  Bus stops are up and down the > central road through Galluzzo and have good signage, indicating various stops > in the city.  The ride in takes perhaps 10 minutes.  Buy your passes at the > local tabac… > Carol L

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I will be renting a car in Tuscany in June to tour around the countryside.  One day I would like to drive to Florence, park the car and explore on foot.  Is parking fairly easy to find and manuever, or would I be better advised to take the train from Siena (where I will be staying) into Florence?  Thanks for any help. Craig

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> I will be renting a car in Tuscany in June to tour around the > countryside.  One day I would like to drive to Florence, park the car > and explore on foot.  Is parking fairly easy to find and manuever, or > would I be better advised to take the train from Siena (where I will > be staying) into Florence?  Thanks for any help. > Craig

There’s a large, free (at least it was the last time I was there a couple of year’s ago) car park at Piazzale Michelangelo. This is a little bit to the east of the city centre and on the opposite side of the River Arno up in the hills to the side of the river. From there you can get a bus to the centre, though we walked in. It’s not very far and there is a mixture of steps and zig-zag paths that take you down to the road by the side of the Arno. You can then walk along and enter the main part of the city via the Ponte Vecchio, which is a pretty good entrance to Florence! By the way the view of Florence from the car park is magnificent. It’s quite literally a postcard view as if you look at the small print on a lot of postcards you’ll see they were taken from there. Enjoy your visit. I guarantee that it won’t be long enough! Pete Dr. P. L. Birch Department of Biological Sciences University of Paisley PAISLEY PA1 2BE UK Tel: +44 (0)141 848 3123

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I agree with Peter Birch.  The parking lot in Piazzale Michelangelo is very easy to get to, specially if you come from Siena. There is a parking in a building on Via Alimandi, just across the street from the central station.  It’s very convenient. We stayed for more than a week in a villa on the outskirts of Siena a few years ago. Twice we went to Florence on a no-toll auto-strada. Only 50 minutes. Enjoy your trip, Ismael Libanio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I will be renting a car in Tuscany in June to tour around the > countryside.  One day I would like to drive to Florence, park the car > and explore on foot.  Is parking fairly easy to find and manuever, or > would I be better advised to take the train from Siena (where I will > be staying) into Florence?  Thanks for any help. > Craig > There’s a large, free (at least it was the last time I was there a > couple of year’s ago) car park at Piazzale Michelangelo. This is a > little bit to the east of the city centre and on the opposite side of > the River Arno up in the hills to the side of the river. From there you > can get a bus to the centre, though we walked in. It’s not very far and > there is a mixture of steps and zig-zag paths that take you down to the > road by the side of the Arno. You can then walk along and enter the main > part of the city via the Ponte Vecchio, which is a pretty good entrance > to Florence! By the way the view of Florence from the car park is > magnificent. It’s quite literally a postcard view as if you look at the > small print on a lot of postcards you’ll see they were taken from there. > Enjoy your visit. I guarantee that it won’t be long enough! > Pete > Dr. P. L. Birch > Department of Biological Sciences > University of Paisley > PAISLEY > PA1 2BE > UK > Tel: +44 (0)141 848 3123

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> I will be renting a car in Tuscany in June to tour around the > countryside.  One day I would like to drive to Florence, park the car > and explore on foot.  Is parking fairly easy to find and manuever, or > would I be better advised to take the train from Siena (where I will > be staying) into Florence?  Thanks for any help. > Craig

Well I hate driving to Florence (even if the car park is out of the city center) so I normally take the bus (the train takes to long) bus is less than an hour from Siena Piazza Gramsci to the train station in the center of Florence.  Easy, frequent and no hassles. Cristina from Siena

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<snip> The parking lot in Piazzale Michelangelo is very >easy to get to, specially if you come from Siena. >There is a parking in a building on Via Alimandi, just across the street >from the central station.  It’s very convenient.<snip> > ><snip>. One day I would like to drive to Florence, park the car > > and explore on foot.  Is parking fairly easy to find and manuever, or > > would I be better advised to take the train from Siena (where I will > > be staying) into Florence?  <snip>

In the autumn we made two daytrips to Florence. The first daytrip was a little difficult – couldn’t find the parking lots or at least one with space and ended up in a northern suburb and then we took a taxi into the historic centre. In the evening we drove out of the city on the unfamiliar autostrada with too many lane merges. It worked but we were a little frazzled! The next time we went into Florence for the day, we went by train. Cheap and convenient. I recommend using public transportation! From Siena, I believe the bus is better. Frances — From thewests who are at sympatico dot ca Toronto, Canada

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While I agree in principle with Howard (2 museums in 5 hours will result in "museum fatigue" rather then a pleasant day), I disagree in detail. This only shows that opinions vary. Michelangelo’s David, IMveryHO, is the greatest work of art produced by western civilization. I never miss it when I go to Florence (which I do at least every two years). His unfinished "Slaves" at the Accademia are also outstanding. Also, the best gelato in this time-space continuum is 2 blocks Northwest of the Accademia (Howard’s suggest "Vivoli" is darn good, too, though). FWIW, the Uffizi and the Accademia are a lot closer to each other then 3 miles.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Heidi, > Even on my land trips to Florence, I’d never do both on the same day. > Unless you absolutely have to see Michelangelo’s David at the Accademia > (overrated IMHO), I’d pick the Uffizi.  Leave yourself some time for a quick > lunch in one of Florence’s great sandwich bars (panini to die for), a gelato > (Vivoli by Santa Croce is awesome), a little shopping in the Straw Market, > and have a more relaxing day… two museums in 5 hours equals major > headache.  If you have to have 2 major sights, I’d replace one of the > museums with the Duomo (fantastic views from the belltower). > Regards, > Howard > We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

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First thing is to find out if the airline will allow you to check the rocket powered roller skates you’re gonna need.  Five hours is scant time for maybe two of the galleries in the Uffizi.  Trying to do the entire Uffizi and Accademia will be a challenge.  If you come down to choosing only one, I’d do Uffizi and catch Accademia with left over time. Be very watchful of time. — Charlie Funk Just Cruisin’ Plus www.justcruisinplus.com Outside Nashville 800 888-0922 In Nashville 833-0922

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

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Are you in Florence on a Monday? If so I have bad news, they’re closed on Monday. But there’s still quite a bit to do. Beware, if you’re younger, the walk from the "Florence on Your Own" tour bus to the first piazza will be VERY SLOW to accomodate older tourists. It was like the Bataan Death March to me (and I’m 45!). A far cry from the RCCL pulsating commercials for Voyager and Explorer! As for a strategy for Florence– Think in terms of getting from piazza to piazza– not building to building. Buildings will follow naturally… If you’re a man, ask for help in Florence from women–not men. (And vice versa I would expect) Have a restroom strategy throughout Italy. (And make sure that every member of your party has 500- or 1000-lire notes to bribe yourself into and out of restrooms!!!)

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Interesting: While everybody has slightly different ideas as what to do/see in Florence we all seem to agree that there is just too much for a single visit. Multiple trips I can be packed in less than an hour. Cal Ford Lido Deck Cruises – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s >basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying >tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to >buy the tickets for a specific entry time. >From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even >allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 >at the earliest. >Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we >should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as >though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? >Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most >appreciated. >-Linda

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Good post Paul, As you said, depends on taste, Michelangelo’s "Slaves" ARE really compelling, and the Accademia is quieter and easier to navigate (except for the throngs around David!)  My taste runs more toward the beginnings of the Renaissance (Giotto, Martini) and the later/Mannerist period (Michelangelo’s Doni Tondo, Pontormo, Parmigianino); but the Uffizi is busy and crowded at times. You’re right on the gelati, I forgot about that place, it’s near the San Marco museum, right? Regards, Howard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > While I agree in principle with Howard (2 museums in 5 hours will result in > "museum fatigue" rather then a pleasant day), I disagree in detail. This > only shows that opinions vary. > Michelangelo’s David, IMveryHO, is the greatest work of art produced by > western civilization. I never miss it when I go to Florence (which I do at > least every two years). His unfinished "Slaves" at the Accademia are also > outstanding. Also, the best gelato in this time-space continuum is 2 blocks > Northwest of the Accademia (Howard’s suggest "Vivoli" is darn good, too, > though). > FWIW, the Uffizi and the Accademia are a lot closer to each other then 3 > miles. > Hi Heidi, > Even on my land trips to Florence, I’d never do both on the same day. > Unless you absolutely have to see Michelangelo’s David at the Accademia > (overrated IMHO), I’d pick the Uffizi.  Leave yourself some time for a > quick > lunch in one of Florence’s great sandwich bars (panini to die for), a > gelato > (Vivoli by Santa Croce is awesome), a little shopping in the Straw Market, > and have a more relaxing day… two museums in 5 hours equals major > headache.  If you have to have 2 major sights, I’d replace one of the > museums with the Duomo (fantastic views from the belltower). > Regards, > Howard > > We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > > at the earliest. > > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > > appreciated. > > -Linda

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Yes, it’s between the Accademia and San Marco.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good post Paul, > As you said, depends on taste, Michelangelo’s "Slaves" ARE really compelling, > and the Accademia is quieter and easier to navigate (except for the throngs > around David!)  My taste runs more toward the beginnings of the Renaissance > (Giotto, Martini) and the later/Mannerist period (Michelangelo’s Doni Tondo, > Pontormo, Parmigianino); but the Uffizi is busy and crowded at times. > You’re right on the gelati, I forgot about that place, it’s near the San Marco > museum, right? > Regards, > Howard > While I agree in principle with Howard (2 museums in 5 hours will result in > "museum fatigue" rather then a pleasant day), I disagree in detail. This > only shows that opinions vary. > Michelangelo’s David, IMveryHO, is the greatest work of art produced by > western civilization. I never miss it when I go to Florence (which I do at > least every two years). His unfinished "Slaves" at the Accademia are also > outstanding. Also, the best gelato in this time-space continuum is 2 blocks > Northwest of the Accademia (Howard’s suggest "Vivoli" is darn good, too, > though). > FWIW, the Uffizi and the Accademia are a lot closer to each other then 3 > miles. > > Hi Heidi, > > Even on my land trips to Florence, I’d never do both on the same day. > > Unless you absolutely have to see Michelangelo’s David at the Accademia > > (overrated IMHO), I’d pick the Uffizi.  Leave yourself some time for a > quick > > lunch in one of Florence’s great sandwich bars (panini to die for), a > gelato > > (Vivoli by Santa Croce is awesome), a little shopping in the Straw Market, > > and have a more relaxing day… two museums in 5 hours equals major > > headache.  If you have to have 2 major sights, I’d replace one of the > > museums with the Duomo (fantastic views from the belltower). > > Regards, > > Howard > > > We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > > > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > > > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > > > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > > > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > > > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > > > at the earliest. > > > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > > > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > > > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > > > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > > > appreciated. > > > -Linda

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Hi Heidi, Even on my land trips to Florence, I’d never do both on the same day. Unless you absolutely have to see Michelangelo’s David at the Accademia (overrated IMHO), I’d pick the Uffizi.  Leave yourself some time for a quick lunch in one of Florence’s great sandwich bars (panini to die for), a gelato (Vivoli by Santa Croce is awesome), a little shopping in the Straw Market, and have a more relaxing day… two museums in 5 hours equals major headache.  If you have to have 2 major sights, I’d replace one of the museums with the Duomo (fantastic views from the belltower). Regards, Howard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

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> After seeing David

The audio tape commentary for rent in the museum is very good and provides a good explanation of the sculptures which you encounter before coming to the David. I’d estimate the tape takes about 45 minutes. > is just 2 blocks to the Duamo (?) and you really should at > least pop inside.

The lines outside the Duomo are very long. If you’re only going to pop inside, it’s probably not worth the wait. It’s not necessary to spend a long time in the cathedral, but the wait to look ratio is not worth a "pop-in visit". If time is an issue, look at the outside of the cathedral only and visit the doors to the baptistry across the plaza from the Duomo. YOu’ll have to wait while layers of tourists in front of you look and peel themselves away, but your turn will come soon enough. Then, you can get a good look at the panels and have fun identifying the Hebrew Bible scenes carved in the twelve panels. > from there it is about 3 or 4 blocks to Uffuzi Palace

This poster hasn’t said anything about seeing the paintings in the Uffizi. If you take the audio taped tour, you should count on 1 1/2 hours of taped commentary.  Since the number of paintings in the Uffizi is staggering, they curators have had to work very hard to keep the commentary to only 1 1/2 hours. Incidentally, as the museum restores the paintings, it is placing them behind very thick plexiglass panels so the viewing conditions are less than ideal. People might consider going to the Bargello Museum instead which is to sculpture what the Uffizi is to painting. There’s virtually no line at the Bargello and the sculptures are not hidden behind thick plexiglass. > an easy walk. From there it is 2 blocks west to the Bridge. From the > Bridge head back towards the Duamo and take a break for lunch. Lots of > nice places to eat.

If you have actually gone into any of the places, you’ll be way past lunch time. I really don’t see how a one-day visitor to the city is going to do everything listed here. I could justify seeing the outside of the Duomo, but why bother seeing the outside of a museum? > Upon leaving Florence have them take you up to Michaelangelo Square > for a great view of the City and its monuments.

There’s yet another copy of the "David" sculpture here, but that’s not the attraction. As Cal said, the attraction is the view over the city roofs. (Incidentally, for those of you who are wondering whether or not to spend the time going to the Accademia since there are several copies of the "David" scattered throughout the city, the answer is "yes." The original has a vitality which the copies are lacking.) Karen Selwyn

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We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to buy the tickets for a specific entry time. From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 at the earliest. Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most appreciated. -Linda

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My wife and I are considering taking one of these cruises in April or May, 2002, from Athens to Istanbul or vice versa, on the Wind Song or the Wind Spirit. Can anyone provide us with information about these cruises, or point us to sources of information? Thanks, Ross

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I just returned from Italy and my second trip to Florence.  Staying in Rome for a week, we took the train to Florence for one day and walked around to all the sites.  I followed my trusty *Rick Steves Italy* book which tells you to try to be at the Accademia by 9 am. to avoid the crowds.  (Not possible for you.)  We arrived about 10:30 and walked right in.  But this was in April.  It only takes about 1/2 hour to see the major works in the Accademia – only a few rooms of artwork and the main hall with Captives and the highlight *David*.  Fantastic!! We quickly walked around Florence to the Duomo, Bapistry, San Lorenzo, and Plazzio Vecchio and past the Uffizi.  We didn’t have time to go inside but I’m sure this would have taken alot longer than the Accademia. My recommendations would be to do the Accademia first to allow much more time for the Gallery.  I can’t wait to go back to see it myself. Both trips were too rushed to allow enought time. It is not three miles away from these two sights.  I would estimate less than one mile.  We walked alot that day but not THAT much.  Enjoy your trip!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

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Thank you so very much.  This information is exactly what I needed! Have a good day. -Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I just returned from Italy and my second trip to Florence.  Staying in Rome > for a week, we took the train to Florence for one day and walked around to > all the sites.  I followed my trusty *Rick Steves Italy* book which tells > you to try to be at the Accademia by 9 am. to avoid the crowds.  (Not > possible for you.)  We arrived about 10:30 and walked right in.  But this > was in April.  It only takes about 1/2 hour to see the major works in the > Accademia – only a few rooms of artwork and the main hall with Captives and > the highlight *David*.  Fantastic!! > We quickly walked around Florence to the Duomo, Bapistry, San Lorenzo, and > Plazzio Vecchio and past the Uffizi.  We didn’t have time to go inside but > I’m sure this would have taken alot longer than the Accademia. > My recommendations would be to do the Accademia first to allow much more > time for the Gallery.  I can’t wait to go back to see it myself. Both trips > were too rushed to allow enought time. > It is not three miles away from these two sights.  I would estimate less > than one mile.  We walked alot that day but not THAT much.  Enjoy your > trip!! > We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

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Hi Ross, You can find a number of reviews and ship profiles at www.smallshipcruises.com Bob

My wife and I are considering taking one of these cruises in April or May, 2002, from Athens to Istanbul or vice versa, on the Wind Song or the Wind Spirit. Can anyone provide us with information about these cruises, or point us to sources of information? Thanks, Ross

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

Folorence is not a large city. It is very walkable. You most likey will encounter lines at the Accademia so go thier first. Plus the Uffuzi is just around the corner from the Ponta Vectia, so if you have time when you are finished you can walk the brigde. My wife hits me for Cameos evey time we go. They are like no others you will find. If you are going to take photo’s get a good fast film. No flashes allowed in either museum. Marc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Linda – Florence is great for walking around BUT be careful and identify landmarks for returning to your starting point.  Very easy to get lost – all the building start to look alike esp. in the narrow streets.   Art

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

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Old, or central Florence is restricted to vehicles and is pedestrians only. If you want to do both Accademia and Uffuzi in one day you are going to have to hustle. Here is my advice. Forget the bus offered by the ship as you will be very frustrated and it drops you off no where near the Accademia. What you want to do is hire a car and driver, they will be parked on the pier, for about $280 for all day. This seems steep but if you can get another couple to share the car it becomes much more reasonable. Get off the ship as early as you can. Get a car and tell them you want to see David first. They will take you within 1/2 block of the Accademia and you will be there before the 300 people taking the ships busses. The Driver will explain to you where to meet him for the return to the ship. This is usually next to a major landmark and easy to find. After seeing David is just 2 blocks to the Duamo (?) and you really should at least pop inside. from there it is about 3 or 4 blocks to Uffuzi Palace, an easy walk. From there it is 2 blocks west to the Bridge. From the Bridge head back towards the Duamo and take a break for lunch. Lots of nice places to eat. Hopefully you have instructed your driver to allow time for additional stops. Upon leaving Florence have them take you up to Michaelangelo Square for a great view of the City and its monuments. Then back towards the ship but detour off the Freeway to visit Pisa and the Tower. If the Driver protests tell him you only want to stop loing enough for pictures then take 20 minutes anyway. Understand though that you will get only a taste of what Florence has to offer and you will definately have to go again. Once is not enough. Cal Ford Lido Deck Cruises – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s >basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying >tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to >buy the tickets for a specific entry time. >From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even >allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 >at the earliest. >Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we >should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as >though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? >Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most >appreciated. >-Linda

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We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to buy the tickets for a specific entry time. From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 at the earliest. Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most appreciated. -Linda

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My wife and I are considering taking one of these cruises in April or May, 2002, from Athens to Istanbul or vice versa, on the Wind Song or the Wind Spirit. Can anyone provide us with information about these cruises, or point us to sources of information? Thanks, Ross

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I just returned from Italy and my second trip to Florence.  Staying in Rome for a week, we took the train to Florence for one day and walked around to all the sites.  I followed my trusty *Rick Steves Italy* book which tells you to try to be at the Accademia by 9 am. to avoid the crowds.  (Not possible for you.)  We arrived about 10:30 and walked right in.  But this was in April.  It only takes about 1/2 hour to see the major works in the Accademia – only a few rooms of artwork and the main hall with Captives and the highlight *David*.  Fantastic!! We quickly walked around Florence to the Duomo, Bapistry, San Lorenzo, and Plazzio Vecchio and past the Uffizi.  We didn’t have time to go inside but I’m sure this would have taken alot longer than the Accademia. My recommendations would be to do the Accademia first to allow much more time for the Gallery.  I can’t wait to go back to see it myself. Both trips were too rushed to allow enought time. It is not three miles away from these two sights.  I would estimate less than one mile.  We walked alot that day but not THAT much.  Enjoy your trip!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

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Thank you so very much.  This information is exactly what I needed! Have a good day. -Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I just returned from Italy and my second trip to Florence.  Staying in Rome > for a week, we took the train to Florence for one day and walked around to > all the sites.  I followed my trusty *Rick Steves Italy* book which tells > you to try to be at the Accademia by 9 am. to avoid the crowds.  (Not > possible for you.)  We arrived about 10:30 and walked right in.  But this > was in April.  It only takes about 1/2 hour to see the major works in the > Accademia – only a few rooms of artwork and the main hall with Captives and > the highlight *David*.  Fantastic!! > We quickly walked around Florence to the Duomo, Bapistry, San Lorenzo, and > Plazzio Vecchio and past the Uffizi.  We didn’t have time to go inside but > I’m sure this would have taken alot longer than the Accademia. > My recommendations would be to do the Accademia first to allow much more > time for the Gallery.  I can’t wait to go back to see it myself. Both trips > were too rushed to allow enought time. > It is not three miles away from these two sights.  I would estimate less > than one mile.  We walked alot that day but not THAT much.  Enjoy your > trip!! > We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

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Hi Ross, You can find a number of reviews and ship profiles at www.smallshipcruises.com Bob

My wife and I are considering taking one of these cruises in April or May, 2002, from Athens to Istanbul or vice versa, on the Wind Song or the Wind Spirit. Can anyone provide us with information about these cruises, or point us to sources of information? Thanks, Ross

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

Folorence is not a large city. It is very walkable. You most likey will encounter lines at the Accademia so go thier first. Plus the Uffuzi is just around the corner from the Ponta Vectia, so if you have time when you are finished you can walk the brigde. My wife hits me for Cameos evey time we go. They are like no others you will find. If you are going to take photo’s get a good fast film. No flashes allowed in either museum. Marc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Linda – Florence is great for walking around BUT be careful and identify landmarks for returning to your starting point.  Very easy to get lost – all the building start to look alike esp. in the narrow streets.   Art

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

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Old, or central Florence is restricted to vehicles and is pedestrians only. If you want to do both Accademia and Uffuzi in one day you are going to have to hustle. Here is my advice. Forget the bus offered by the ship as you will be very frustrated and it drops you off no where near the Accademia. What you want to do is hire a car and driver, they will be parked on the pier, for about $280 for all day. This seems steep but if you can get another couple to share the car it becomes much more reasonable. Get off the ship as early as you can. Get a car and tell them you want to see David first. They will take you within 1/2 block of the Accademia and you will be there before the 300 people taking the ships busses. The Driver will explain to you where to meet him for the return to the ship. This is usually next to a major landmark and easy to find. After seeing David is just 2 blocks to the Duamo (?) and you really should at least pop inside. from there it is about 3 or 4 blocks to Uffuzi Palace, an easy walk. From there it is 2 blocks west to the Bridge. From the Bridge head back towards the Duamo and take a break for lunch. Lots of nice places to eat. Hopefully you have instructed your driver to allow time for additional stops. Upon leaving Florence have them take you up to Michaelangelo Square for a great view of the City and its monuments. Then back towards the ship but detour off the Freeway to visit Pisa and the Tower. If the Driver protests tell him you only want to stop loing enough for pictures then take 20 minutes anyway. Understand though that you will get only a taste of what Florence has to offer and you will definately have to go again. Once is not enough. Cal Ford Lido Deck Cruises – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s >basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying >tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to >buy the tickets for a specific entry time. >From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even >allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 >at the earliest. >Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we >should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as >though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? >Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most >appreciated. >-Linda

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Hi Heidi, Even on my land trips to Florence, I’d never do both on the same day. Unless you absolutely have to see Michelangelo’s David at the Accademia (overrated IMHO), I’d pick the Uffizi.  Leave yourself some time for a quick lunch in one of Florence’s great sandwich bars (panini to die for), a gelato (Vivoli by Santa Croce is awesome), a little shopping in the Straw Market, and have a more relaxing day… two museums in 5 hours equals major headache.  If you have to have 2 major sights, I’d replace one of the museums with the Duomo (fantastic views from the belltower). Regards, Howard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

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> After seeing David

The audio tape commentary for rent in the museum is very good and provides a good explanation of the sculptures which you encounter before coming to the David. I’d estimate the tape takes about 45 minutes. > is just 2 blocks to the Duamo (?) and you really should at > least pop inside.

The lines outside the Duomo are very long. If you’re only going to pop inside, it’s probably not worth the wait. It’s not necessary to spend a long time in the cathedral, but the wait to look ratio is not worth a "pop-in visit". If time is an issue, look at the outside of the cathedral only and visit the doors to the baptistry across the plaza from the Duomo. YOu’ll have to wait while layers of tourists in front of you look and peel themselves away, but your turn will come soon enough. Then, you can get a good look at the panels and have fun identifying the Hebrew Bible scenes carved in the twelve panels. > from there it is about 3 or 4 blocks to Uffuzi Palace

This poster hasn’t said anything about seeing the paintings in the Uffizi. If you take the audio taped tour, you should count on 1 1/2 hours of taped commentary.  Since the number of paintings in the Uffizi is staggering, they curators have had to work very hard to keep the commentary to only 1 1/2 hours. Incidentally, as the museum restores the paintings, it is placing them behind very thick plexiglass panels so the viewing conditions are less than ideal. People might consider going to the Bargello Museum instead which is to sculpture what the Uffizi is to painting. There’s virtually no line at the Bargello and the sculptures are not hidden behind thick plexiglass. > an easy walk. From there it is 2 blocks west to the Bridge. From the > Bridge head back towards the Duamo and take a break for lunch. Lots of > nice places to eat.

If you have actually gone into any of the places, you’ll be way past lunch time. I really don’t see how a one-day visitor to the city is going to do everything listed here. I could justify seeing the outside of the Duomo, but why bother seeing the outside of a museum? > Upon leaving Florence have them take you up to Michaelangelo Square > for a great view of the City and its monuments.

There’s yet another copy of the "David" sculpture here, but that’s not the attraction. As Cal said, the attraction is the view over the city roofs. (Incidentally, for those of you who are wondering whether or not to spend the time going to the Accademia since there are several copies of the "David" scattered throughout the city, the answer is "yes." The original has a vitality which the copies are lacking.) Karen Selwyn

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While I agree in principle with Howard (2 museums in 5 hours will result in "museum fatigue" rather then a pleasant day), I disagree in detail. This only shows that opinions vary. Michelangelo’s David, IMveryHO, is the greatest work of art produced by western civilization. I never miss it when I go to Florence (which I do at least every two years). His unfinished "Slaves" at the Accademia are also outstanding. Also, the best gelato in this time-space continuum is 2 blocks Northwest of the Accademia (Howard’s suggest "Vivoli" is darn good, too, though). FWIW, the Uffizi and the Accademia are a lot closer to each other then 3 miles.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Heidi, > Even on my land trips to Florence, I’d never do both on the same day. > Unless you absolutely have to see Michelangelo’s David at the Accademia > (overrated IMHO), I’d pick the Uffizi.  Leave yourself some time for a quick > lunch in one of Florence’s great sandwich bars (panini to die for), a gelato > (Vivoli by Santa Croce is awesome), a little shopping in the Straw Market, > and have a more relaxing day… two museums in 5 hours equals major > headache.  If you have to have 2 major sights, I’d replace one of the > museums with the Duomo (fantastic views from the belltower). > Regards, > Howard > We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

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First thing is to find out if the airline will allow you to check the rocket powered roller skates you’re gonna need.  Five hours is scant time for maybe two of the galleries in the Uffizi.  Trying to do the entire Uffizi and Accademia will be a challenge.  If you come down to choosing only one, I’d do Uffizi and catch Accademia with left over time. Be very watchful of time. — Charlie Funk Just Cruisin’ Plus www.justcruisinplus.com Outside Nashville 800 888-0922 In Nashville 833-0922

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > at the earliest. > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > appreciated. > -Linda

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Are you in Florence on a Monday? If so I have bad news, they’re closed on Monday. But there’s still quite a bit to do. Beware, if you’re younger, the walk from the "Florence on Your Own" tour bus to the first piazza will be VERY SLOW to accomodate older tourists. It was like the Bataan Death March to me (and I’m 45!). A far cry from the RCCL pulsating commercials for Voyager and Explorer! As for a strategy for Florence– Think in terms of getting from piazza to piazza– not building to building. Buildings will follow naturally… If you’re a man, ask for help in Florence from women–not men. (And vice versa I would expect) Have a restroom strategy throughout Italy. (And make sure that every member of your party has 500- or 1000-lire notes to bribe yourself into and out of restrooms!!!)

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Interesting: While everybody has slightly different ideas as what to do/see in Florence we all seem to agree that there is just too much for a single visit. Multiple trips I can be packed in less than an hour. Cal Ford Lido Deck Cruises – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s >basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying >tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to >buy the tickets for a specific entry time. >From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even >allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 >at the earliest. >Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we >should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as >though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? >Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most >appreciated. >-Linda

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Good post Paul, As you said, depends on taste, Michelangelo’s "Slaves" ARE really compelling, and the Accademia is quieter and easier to navigate (except for the throngs around David!)  My taste runs more toward the beginnings of the Renaissance (Giotto, Martini) and the later/Mannerist period (Michelangelo’s Doni Tondo, Pontormo, Parmigianino); but the Uffizi is busy and crowded at times. You’re right on the gelati, I forgot about that place, it’s near the San Marco museum, right? Regards, Howard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > While I agree in principle with Howard (2 museums in 5 hours will result in > "museum fatigue" rather then a pleasant day), I disagree in detail. This > only shows that opinions vary. > Michelangelo’s David, IMveryHO, is the greatest work of art produced by > western civilization. I never miss it when I go to Florence (which I do at > least every two years). His unfinished "Slaves" at the Accademia are also > outstanding. Also, the best gelato in this time-space continuum is 2 blocks > Northwest of the Accademia (Howard’s suggest "Vivoli" is darn good, too, > though). > FWIW, the Uffizi and the Accademia are a lot closer to each other then 3 > miles. > Hi Heidi, > Even on my land trips to Florence, I’d never do both on the same day. > Unless you absolutely have to see Michelangelo’s David at the Accademia > (overrated IMHO), I’d pick the Uffizi.  Leave yourself some time for a > quick > lunch in one of Florence’s great sandwich bars (panini to die for), a > gelato > (Vivoli by Santa Croce is awesome), a little shopping in the Straw Market, > and have a more relaxing day… two museums in 5 hours equals major > headache.  If you have to have 2 major sights, I’d replace one of the > museums with the Duomo (fantastic views from the belltower). > Regards, > Howard > > We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > > at the earliest. > > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > > appreciated. > > -Linda

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Yes, it’s between the Accademia and San Marco.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good post Paul, > As you said, depends on taste, Michelangelo’s "Slaves" ARE really compelling, > and the Accademia is quieter and easier to navigate (except for the throngs > around David!)  My taste runs more toward the beginnings of the Renaissance > (Giotto, Martini) and the later/Mannerist period (Michelangelo’s Doni Tondo, > Pontormo, Parmigianino); but the Uffizi is busy and crowded at times. > You’re right on the gelati, I forgot about that place, it’s near the San Marco > museum, right? > Regards, > Howard > While I agree in principle with Howard (2 museums in 5 hours will result in > "museum fatigue" rather then a pleasant day), I disagree in detail. This > only shows that opinions vary. > Michelangelo’s David, IMveryHO, is the greatest work of art produced by > western civilization. I never miss it when I go to Florence (which I do at > least every two years). His unfinished "Slaves" at the Accademia are also > outstanding. Also, the best gelato in this time-space continuum is 2 blocks > Northwest of the Accademia (Howard’s suggest "Vivoli" is darn good, too, > though). > FWIW, the Uffizi and the Accademia are a lot closer to each other then 3 > miles. > > Hi Heidi, > > Even on my land trips to Florence, I’d never do both on the same day. > > Unless you absolutely have to see Michelangelo’s David at the Accademia > > (overrated IMHO), I’d pick the Uffizi.  Leave yourself some time for a > quick > > lunch in one of Florence’s great sandwich bars (panini to die for), a > gelato > > (Vivoli by Santa Croce is awesome), a little shopping in the Straw Market, > > and have a more relaxing day… two museums in 5 hours equals major > > headache.  If you have to have 2 major sights, I’d replace one of the > > museums with the Duomo (fantastic views from the belltower). > > Regards, > > Howard > > > We’re taking a tour in Florence called Florence On Your Own so it’s > > > basically just transportation from the ship into Florence.  I’m buying > > > tickets online to the Uffuzi and the Accademia.  The trick is I have to > > > buy the tickets for a specific entry time. > > > From what I can tell, we should arrive in Florence by 10:30 even > > > allowing for delays.  I figure we’ll need to get back on the bus by 3:30 > > > at the earliest. > > > Has anyone done something like this?  I’m trying to figure out if we > > > should go to the Accademia first or the Uffuzi first.  It appears as > > > though the two are about 3 miles apart – is this right? > > > Any suggestions as to the order or timing of these galleries is most > > > appreciated. > > > -Linda

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That sucks!  Well, hopefully this thing will come to an end soon… — Q: How did Pinocchio discover he was made of wood? A: His right hand caught fire http://www.dwacon.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Tuscans Mourn Passing of Famous T-Bone Steak > Updated 10:00 AM ET March 31, 2001By Philip Pullella > PANZANO IN CHIANTI, Italy (Reuters) – Women wore black, threw flowers and > cried mock tears on Saturday as Tuscans mourned the Florentine beefsteak, > their culinary glory which was to become illegal at midnight because of the > mad cow scare. > "As we have written on the tombstone, March 31, 2001 will go down in history > as the last day the ‘Fiorentina’ can be sold legally," said Dario Cecchini, > known as the poet-butcher of Tuscany because he recites from Dante as he cuts > meat. > "The Fiorentina has been reduced to an invalid and as such, she herself > prefers death," he said as Tuscans counted down the hours to midnight, when > Italy complies with an EU decision to ban the sale of beef on the bone. > "Without the bone it is just meat, not heaven." > The phone-book thick Fiorentina, as synonymous with Tuscany as rolling hills > and Renaissance masterpieces, traditionally includes a piece of backbone, > whose tissue is believed to harbor the agent that causes the brain-wasting > disease. > Cecchini, 45, was speaking in the walk-in refrigerator of his shop in > Tuscany’s Chianti region, just before several thousand people attended the > mock funeral and a benefit auction of some 200 Fiorentinas. > The town band played Chopin’s funeral march as a three foot long slab of raw > beef weighing 55 pound arrived in a walnut coffin in the back of a shiny > black hearse. > CHARITY AUCTION > Angela Lotti wore a long black veil. Others threw flowers and touched the > passing hearse or coffin and made the sign of the cross. > Cecchini was hoping to raise some $91,060 for Florence’s Anna Meyer > children’s hospital. The first Fiorentina on sale, weighing five pounds, went > for more than 100 times its normal price, to a man from Milan. > The crowd applauded a live telephone call from Elton John, who donated 7.5 > million lire worth of meat to the charity auction, which will help children > with AIDS. > Sold in Tuscan restaurants not by portion but by weight — just like the > jewelry hawked by goldsmiths on the River Arno in Florence — a Fiorentina is > as much a part of the local experience as crossing the city’s Ponte Vecchio > bridge. > Cecchini, whose family has been butchering since before the American > Revolution, lauds the meat with the passion of a poet. > "When I eat a Fiorentina beefsteak I feel all of the Tuscan Renaissance flow > through my veins. Eating a Fiorentina is like reading Dante’s Inferno, > looking at Giotto’s belltower and Michelangelo’s David. It is the pleasure of > life," he said. > "Long live the fat of the Fiorentina beefsteak. The Fiorentina is dead. Long > live the Fiorentina." > Cecchini’s companion, Anne Marie Scichili, 41, an American from Dallas who > has lived in Tuscany for 11 years, chipped in: > "For me, coming from Texas, where we have the T-bone steak, this is a great > sadness. You can’t take something so valuable and something so grand away > from Florence. It’s something that we’re known for. It’s really an incredible > sadness." > The industry group Federcarni has estimated that the Tuscan economy could > lose some $455 million from the ban, which is due to expire on December 31.

– Legend insists that as he finished his abject… Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Tuscans Mourn Passing of Famous T-Bone Steak > Updated 10:00 AM ET March 31, 2001By Philip Pullella > PANZANO IN CHIANTI, Italy (Reuters) – Women wore black, threw flowers and > cried mock tears on Saturday as Tuscans mourned the Florentine beefsteak, > their culinary glory which was to become illegal at midnight because of the > mad cow scare. > "As we have written on the tombstone, March 31, 2001 will go down in history > as the last day the ‘Fiorentina’ can be sold legally," said Dario Cecchini, > known as the poet-butcher of Tuscany because he recites from Dante as he cuts > meat. > "The Fiorentina has been reduced to an invalid and as such, she herself > prefers death," he said as Tuscans counted down the hours to midnight, when > Italy complies with an EU decision to ban the sale of beef on the bone. > "Without the bone it is just meat, not heaven." > The phone-book thick Fiorentina, as synonymous with Tuscany as rolling hills > and Renaissance masterpieces, traditionally includes a piece of backbone, > whose tissue is believed to harbor the agent that causes the brain-wasting > disease. > Cecchini, 45, was speaking in the walk-in refrigerator of his shop in > Tuscany’s Chianti region, just before several thousand people attended the > mock funeral and a benefit auction of some 200 Fiorentinas. > The town band played Chopin’s funeral march as a three foot long slab of raw > beef weighing 55 pound arrived in a walnut coffin in the back of a shiny > black hearse. > CHARITY AUCTION > Angela Lotti wore a long black veil. Others threw flowers and touched the > passing hearse or coffin and made the sign of the cross. > Cecchini was hoping to raise some $91,060 for Florence’s Anna Meyer > children’s hospital. The first Fiorentina on sale, weighing five pounds, went > for more than 100 times its normal price, to a man from Milan. > The crowd applauded a live telephone call from Elton John, who donated 7.5 > million lire worth of meat to the charity auction, which will help children > with AIDS. > Sold in Tuscan restaurants not by portion but by weight — just like the > jewelry hawked by goldsmiths on the River Arno in Florence — a Fiorentina is > as much a part of the local experience as crossing the city’s Ponte Vecchio > bridge. > Cecchini, whose family has been butchering since before the American > Revolution, lauds the meat with the passion of a poet. > "When I eat a Fiorentina beefsteak I feel all of the Tuscan Renaissance flow > through my veins. Eating a Fiorentina is like reading Dante’s Inferno, > looking at Giotto’s belltower and Michelangelo’s David. It is the pleasure of > life," he said. > "Long live the fat of the Fiorentina beefsteak. The Fiorentina is dead. Long > live the Fiorentina." > Cecchini’s companion, Anne Marie Scichili, 41, an American from Dallas who > has lived in Tuscany for 11 years, chipped in: > "For me, coming from Texas, where we have the T-bone steak, this is a great > sadness. You can’t take something so valuable and something so grand away > from Florence. It’s something that we’re known for. It’s really an incredible > sadness." > The industry group Federcarni has estimated that the Tuscan economy could > lose some $455 million from the ban, which is due to expire on December 31.

– Legend insists that as he finished his abject… Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

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That sucks!  Well, hopefully this thing will come to an end soon… — Q: How did Pinocchio discover he was made of wood? A: His right hand caught fire http://www.dwacon.com

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My husband and I are planning a 2 week trip to Italy early this spring. We will not have a car this trip. We will fly into and out of Rome and spend some days there, and the only other definate plan is a few days in Florence. I’ve read many travel books, etc. and still can’t quite decide where else to go.Venice possibly.There are so many options.. (We’ve been to Milan and the western area). Bologna sounds like something we’d like to explore.Anyone been there? Originally, Naples was in our plans but, from my readings, I don’t think we’d enjoy it.We would like to see something of the south while we’re there, though.What about that area? All thoughts are appreciated. 2 weeks in Italy. Where would you go? I might add that we are in the 50-60 age range and love to travel and see different things. Thanks Liz  Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at:                 http://MailAndNews.com  Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or  POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser.

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>My husband and I are planning a 2 week trip to Italy early this spring. We >will not have a car this trip. We will fly into and out of Rome and spend >some >days there, and the only other definate plan is a few days in Florence. I’ve >read many travel books, etc. and still can’t quite decide where else to >go.Venice possibly.

I’m tempted to note that Venice is an ideal place not to have a car, but it’s true that most other cities of any size are just as impossible with a car.  Truthfully, I’ve most enjoyed the Italian countryside with a car and cities anywhere without one.  My only advice would be to concentrate on cities where there’s plenty to keep you occupied for a few days and reduce the number of travel days.  I think Venice is a must see if you’ve never been there.  Hopefully you’ll be early enough to miss the brunt of the tourist season.  It’s really always tourist season, but I seem to recall a visit in the early spring many years ago and it was not crowded. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->There are so many options.. (We’ve been to Milan and the >western area). Bologna sounds like something we’d like to explore.Anyone >been >there? Originally, Naples was in our plans but, from my readings, I don’t >think we’d enjoy it.We would like to see something of the south while we’re >there, though.What about that area? All thoughts are appreciated. 2 weeks in >Italy. Where would you go? I might add that we are in the 50-60 age range >and >love to travel and see different things. Thanks Liz > Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: >                http://MailAndNews.com > Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or > POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser.

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I’ve not been there yet myself, but am planning a trip also this May and have researched a lot.  You mentioned not wanting to go to Naples, but I’d say reconsider.  Close by is Pompeii where you can see the ruins of the city destroyed by Mt. Vesuvius in 79AD.  The town is immaculately preserved, including intricate and colorful frescos in some buildings.  Just off the coast is the isle of Capri, which is also very beautiful and unique.  I’m counting the days and would not miss these two stops. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >My husband and I are planning a 2 week trip to Italy early this spring. We >will not have a car this trip. We will fly into and out of Rome and spend >some >days there, and the only other definate plan is a few days in Florence. I’ve >read many travel books, etc. and still can’t quite decide where else to >go.Venice possibly.There are so many options.. (We’ve been to Milan and the >western area). Bologna sounds like something we’d like to explore.Anyone >been >there? Originally, Naples was in our plans but, from my readings, I don’t >think we’d enjoy it.We would like to see something of the south while we’re >there, though.What about that area? All thoughts are appreciated. 2 weeks in >Italy. Where would you go? I might add that we are in the 50-60 age range >and >love to travel and see different things. Thanks Liz > Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: >                http://MailAndNews.com > Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or > POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser.

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> I’ve not been there yet myself, but am planning a trip also this May and > have researched a lot.  You mentioned not wanting to go to Naples, but I’d > say reconsider.  Close by is Pompeii where you can see the ruins of the city > destroyed by Mt. Vesuvius in 79AD.  The town is immaculately preserved, > including intricate and colorful frescos in some buildings.  Just off the > coast is the isle of Capri, which is also very beautiful and unique.  I’m > counting the days and would not miss these two stops.

Instead of Naples, how about Sorrento? Sorrento is a beach resort town right on the Almalfi coast and it makes a great base of operations to visit the coastal area and Pompeii.

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In general I would suggest that you spend the two weeks in four cities Venice, Florence, Sorrento, & Rome.  In the first three my wife & I found very nice hotels. In Venice — Locanda ai Santa Apostoli.  It’s on the Grand Canal near the Ca D’Oro. In Florence — Hermitage Hotel.  It’s about 75 feet from the City side of the Ponte Vecchio In Sorrento — La Tonarella.  It’s a bit south of town, has an elevator to the beach, it’s a great spot to visit the area.  While there try David’s Gellateria. For any additional information send a direct e-mail. Frank Matthews – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My husband and I are planning a 2 week trip to Italy early this spring. We > will not have a car this trip. We will fly into and out of Rome and spend > some > days there, and the only other definate plan is a few days in Florence. I’ve > read many travel books, etc. and still can’t quite decide where else to > go.Venice possibly.There are so many options.. (We’ve been to Milan and the > western area). Bologna sounds like something we’d like to explore.Anyone > been > there? Originally, Naples was in our plans but, from my readings, I don’t > think we’d enjoy it.We would like to see something of the south while we’re > there, though.What about that area? All thoughts are appreciated. 2 weeks in > Italy. Where would you go? I might add that we are in the 50-60 age range > and > love to travel and see different things. Thanks Liz >  Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: >                 http://MailAndNews.com >  Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or >  POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser.

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> In Florence — Hermitage Hotel.  It’s about 75 feet from the City side > of the Ponte Vecchio

I’ll second the recommendation for the Hermitage. It’s a lovely hotel: extremely well located, immaculately clean, with an appealing breakfast room with glorious views over the roofs, and helpful, friendly personnel. Since the original poster mentioned they are in 50-60 age range, I want to add a detail about the Hermitage Hotel which may be pertinent. The lowest level of the hotel is at the top of a moderate flight of stairs and the office is on the top floor of the hotel. This makes for an awkward arrival, especially if you are fatigued coming off a trans-Atlantic flight. When you first arrive, one of you should stay with the luggage on the street level. The other one should walk up the stairs to the elevator landing. Look for the sign which instructs new arrivals how to call the elevator and get the attention of the hotel personnel. The hotel staff will come to your rescue and carry your luggage up the flight of steps. Once inside the hotel, you will have the option of elevator or stairs. Karen Selwyn

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> My husband and I are planning a 2 week trip to Italy early this spring. We > will not have a car this trip. We will fly into and out of Rome and spend some > days there, and the only other definate plan is a few days in Florence. I’ve > read many travel books, etc. and still can’t quite decide where else to > go.Venice possibly.

I liked Venice a lot, and the three days I spent there were much too short! If you like old buildings and the like, do not miss Ravenna. The mosaics are incredible. I found going by train in Italy inexpensive and easy — I never went to the south, though. inge — Q: Why is Batman better than Bill Gates? A: Batman was able to beat the Penguin.

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> My husband and I are planning a 2 week trip to Italy early this spring. We > will not have a car this trip. We will fly into and out of Rome and spend > some > days there, and the only other definate plan is a few days in Florence. I’ve > read many travel books, etc. and still can’t quite decide where else to > go.Venice possibly.There are so many options.. (We’ve been to Milan and the > western area). Bologna sounds like something we’d like to explore.Anyone > been > there?

Bologna is a very appealing small university city, not very much visited by tourists. It has several good museums, several beautiful and interesting churches, excellent restaurants, plentiful shopping opportunites, and an attractive and very walkable center. Barbara

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Come on Karen.  I’m in the upper end of their age range, overweight, & sedentary.  Still I had no trouble moving the luggage up the steps.  As to the office location there is a lift.  You’re right about moving around after a flight that can be a bummer.  More trouble on the trains than the hotel though.  I’d probably try staying in Rome at the start and recovering there. Rome, Sorrento, Venice & Florence probably. You are right about the positive comments.  I enjoyed drinks on the rooftop at dusk as well. Frank Matthews – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In Florence — Hermitage Hotel.  It’s about 75 feet from the City side > of the Ponte Vecchio > I’ll second the recommendation for the Hermitage. It’s a lovely hotel: > extremely well located, immaculately clean, with an appealing breakfast > room with glorious views over the roofs, and helpful, friendly > personnel. > Since the original poster mentioned they are in 50-60 age range, I want > to add a detail about the Hermitage Hotel which may be pertinent. The > lowest level of the hotel is at the top of a moderate flight of stairs > and the office is on the top floor of the hotel. This makes for an > awkward arrival, especially if you are fatigued coming off a > trans-Atlantic flight. > When you first arrive, one of you should stay with the luggage on the > street level. The other one should walk up the stairs to the elevator > landing. Look for the sign which instructs new arrivals how to call the > elevator and get the attention of the hotel personnel. The hotel staff > will come to your rescue and carry your luggage up the flight of steps. > Once inside the hotel, you will have the option of elevator or stairs. > Karen Selwyn

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Hello Mel, Sounds like my wife and I are planning a similar Italian excursion.  We will be wrapping up a high school sponsored trip with our daughter, in Rome and my wife and I will have ten days to explore Italy.  We plan on a car rental for seven days, and since our departure fight is out of Rome we thought that we would spend the last three days there so that we are in striking distance of the return flight. I would like to take you up on your offer for suggestions for accommodations, as our intended destinations seem to be very similar. We will be looking for rooms beginning 26 March thru 05 April. TIA Ed Rilkoff

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Hi to all My wife and I spent two weeks in Italy three years ago.  There is so much to see in the major cities, and the train system is wonderful. We started in Rome (side trip to Pompeii), then traveled to Florence, Venice (side trip to Pisa) and flew back to the US from Milan.  Venice and Florence were our favorite cities.  We spent 4 days in ROME and still did not see all the "tourist stuff".  We did not feel rushed at all. If you want some hotel recommendations, just send me an email.  I spent 4 months finding cheap hotels that were centrally located.  Take a look at my web page and check out some of things you will see.   No www  …. mel.home.texas.net Good luck Mel

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My husband and I are planning a 2 week trip to Italy early this spring. We > will not have a car this trip. We will fly into and out of Rome and spend > some > days there, and the only other definate plan is a few days in Florence. I’ve > read many travel books, etc. and still can’t quite decide where else to > go.Venice possibly.There are so many options.. (We’ve been to Milan and the > western area). Bologna sounds like something we’d like to explore.Anyone > been > there? Originally, Naples was in our plans but, from my readings, I don’t > think we’d enjoy it.We would like to see something of the south while we’re > there, though.What about that area? All thoughts are appreciated. 2 weeks in > Italy. Where would you go? I might add that we are in the 50-60 age range > and > love to travel and see different things. Thanks Liz >  Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: >                 http://MailAndNews.com >  Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or >  POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser.

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You must see Venice.  It’s much easier in the spring ‘cos   1. smaller crowds   2. cooler for walking Getting there by train/plane is easy.  Venice and central Florence are the best places to be when car-less.  In Florence, don’t miss Acadaemia Gallery with the Michelangelos. The cheap city bus tickets will take you all the way to Fiesole in the hills overlooking Florence on one side and open coutryside on the other. Life will be cheaper and more fun if you do as the Italians do .. have coffee and sweet pastries in the morning in a street bar, and grab a few pizza slices, savoury pastries etc. from a baker during the morning ready for lunch on a bench. Best of luck, especially with the weather.  Clear spring days in Italy are absolutely wonderful. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My husband and I are planning a 2 week trip to Italy early this spring. We > will not have a car this trip. We will fly into and out of Rome and spend > some > days there, and the only other definate plan is a few days in Florence. I’ve > read many travel books, etc. and still can’t quite decide where else to > go.Venice possibly.There are so many options.. (We’ve been to Milan and the > western area). Bologna sounds like something we’d like to explore.Anyone > been > there? Originally, Naples was in our plans but, from my readings, I don’t > think we’d enjoy it.We would like to see something of the south while we’re > there, though.What about that area? All thoughts are appreciated. 2 weeks in > Italy. Where would you go? I might add that we are in the 50-60 age range > and > love to travel and see different things. Thanks Liz

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> My husband and I are planning a 2 week trip to Italy early this > spring. We will not have a car this trip. We will fly into and out of > Rome and spend some days there, and the only other definate plan is a > few days in Florence. I’ve read many travel books, etc. and still > can’t quite decide where else to go.Venice possibly.There are so many > options.. (We’ve been to Milan and the western area). Bologna sounds > like something we’d like to explore.Anyone been there? Originally, > Naples was in our plans but, from my readings, I don’t think we’d > enjoy it.We would like to see something of the south while we’re > there, though.What about that area? All thoughts are appreciated. 2 > weeks in Italy. Where would you go? I might add that we are in the > 50-60 age range and love to travel and see different things.

My personal web site has lots of ideas about Italy. I’ve been to Rome and Italy many times. Check it out. http://www.accesscom.com/~arz/travels/travels.html Alan — ARZ http://www.accesscom.com/~arz/

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Bologna is really wonderful IMHO.  I love the Po River Valley area–very agricultural, simple beauty, great food.  Bologna is the center for scientific discovery in Italy, and the University atmosphere and related offerings makes it a very interesting town.  Easy to walk around & use public transport.  There are some great walking itineraries somewhere on the net that I downloaded, cut/paste for our trip–now have no clue as to origin, but a good search engine would probably turn them up again. Bologna is a convenient place to stop on the trainline if you’re going to do Venice.  Venice is fascinating–the best part after you see all the "must sees" is just letting yourself ramble and get lost, see how the few natives live, scope out the not-for-tourists shops.  It gets very tiresome otherwise when all you are doing is joining the herd of primarily English-speaking tourists going from spot to spot.  The cemetery island is very interesting if you like that sort of thing.  Murano is much nicer done independent of the many glass blower tours in my opinion–I could only take so much of the glass industry.  Burano is charming for a brief visit and also easily done independently–you can just take vaporetto rides to all the islands.  Venice is so small and contained–with a map in your pocket, you can always find your way to a vaporetto stop when you’re tired and ready to go "home." All in all, if you’re doing Rome & Florence, I think I’d add Venice & Bologna–four good stops is enough, and that is a very manageable itinerary by train.  Alternatively, I’d go north to Florence & then south to Sorrento, which as another poster suggested, is a terrific home base for getting a taste of the Mediterranean.  Beyond Sorrento, you pretty much have to utilize buses to see the Amalfi Coast–wonderful area, but more time consuming & more of a destination for going and just hanging out.  By training down to Naples & then taking the Circumvesuvio local train that runs from Naples to Herculaneum/Pompeii and ends in Sorrento, you can easily get to Sorrento and set up home base for sev’l days, do a one day ruins trip up to Pompeii & Herculaneum, and do a one day trip over to Capri by ferry. If y’all are the least bit experienced w/ boats, I’d highly suggest renting a motor boat at the Capri ferry dock & finding your own "blue grotto" to explore vs. taking the tourist excursion, which is quite pricey for what you get. Can’t get enough of Italy!  Have a great trip…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My husband and I are planning a 2 week trip to Italy early this spring. We > will not have a car this trip. We will fly into and out of Rome and spend > some > days there, and the only other definate plan is a few days in Florence. I’ve > read many travel books, etc. and still can’t quite decide where else to > go.Venice possibly.There are so many options.. (We’ve been to Milan and the > western area). Bologna sounds like something we’d like to explore.Anyone > been > there? Originally, Naples was in our plans but, from my readings, I don’t > think we’d enjoy it.We would like to see something of the south while we’re > there, though.What about that area? All thoughts are appreciated. 2 weeks in > Italy. Where would you go? I might add that we are in the 50-60 age range > and > love to travel and see different things. Thanks Liz >  Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: >                 http://MailAndNews.com >  Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or >  POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser.

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> Come on Karen.  I’m in the upper end of their age range, overweight, & > sedentary.  Still I had no trouble moving the luggage up the steps. > … You’re right about moving around after a flight that can be a > bummer.  

Perhaps my feelings about the flight of stairs which greeted us was colored by our stressful trip IAD-MXP-FLR. We left the US three hours late and missed our Milan-Florence flight. The next flight was fully booked so we waited at Malpensa for six hours until the late afternoon flight. By the time we arrived at the Hermitage, I was exhausted and feeling fragile. At any rate, there are people reading these posts besides the original poster for whom the stairs might be an issue. So in the interests of full disclosure… Karen Selwyn

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Hi Elizabeth! If i can suggest you something to see in Italy. For the first time surely i suggest you to see Rome and Florence like to tell us…but then also Venice (for me one of most beautiful cities in the world!) and other small cities in Toscana, in fact it’s very good Siena, Prato… Instead, if you prefer the South there’s the sicily that is very good. You can see some cities like Palermo, Messina, Cefal