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Travel credit cards

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I would appreciate advice on travel/mileage credit cards.  Capital One seems to be recommended but other comments would be appreciated.  I’ve just finished earning the miles on Mileage Plus for a trip I’m going to take , but it has a high annual fee and is limited to United (plus alliance).  My destinations will be Australia or Italy, so I need to be able to acquire big miles.  I don’t know the ins and outs of the various cards. Thanks…

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>I would appreciate advice on travel/mileage credit cards.  Capital One > seems to be recommended but other comments would be appreciated.  I’ve > just finished earning the miles on Mileage Plus for a trip I’m going to > take , but it has a high annual fee and is limited to United (plus > alliance).  My destinations will be Australia or Italy, so I need to be > able to acquire big miles.  I don’t know the ins and outs of the > various cards. > Thanks…

It varies from country to country.  I’m guessing you’re not Australian or Italian, but there are 167 other countries you might be from and it’s hard to give advice without that piece of information.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I would appreciate advice on travel/mileage credit cards.  Capital One > seems to be recommended but other comments would be appreciated. I’ve > just finished earning the miles on Mileage Plus for a trip I’m going to > take , but it has a high annual fee and is limited to United (plus > alliance).  My destinations will be Australia or Italy, so I need to be > able to acquire big miles.  I don’t know the ins and outs of the > various cards. > Thanks… > It varies from country to country.  I’m guessing you’re not Australian or > Italian, but there are 167 other countries you might be from and it’s hard > to give advice without that piece of information.

Sorry.  From the US.

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Carnival Holiday Out of Action For At Least A Week

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This article is an update from when the Holiday made its 4 day trip to Cozumel on 12/30 a Cruise To Nowhere. This article is in today’s Mobile Register. David Jacobson Baton Rouge Holiday faces week in dry dock Saturday, January 01, 2005 By EDDIE CURRAN Staff Reporter Vacationers with reservations aboard Carnival’s Holiday won’t be cruising to Mexico but will instead be visiting closer destinations or no destinations at all, a company spokeswoman said Friday. Some voyages scheduled for this month face cancellation, she said. The Holiday’s next cruise, a five-day voyage departing Monday with day-long stops in Cozumel and Playa del Carmen, won’t make it to those Mexican resorts, said spokeswoman Jennifer de la Cruz. Instead, the ship is headed to Key West, Fla., where passengers will have several hours to go ashore, she said. By early next week, the company hopes to know when the Holiday can come out of the water for repairs. The repair schedule will in turn determine the status of future cruises, the spokeswoman said. One thing’s for certain: The Holiday’s engine requires repairs that are expected to take a week or longer, and cruises prior to those repairs won’t be making their scheduled stops in Mexican resort areas, said de la Cruz. The Holiday can only sail at about half speed, and in the allotted time periods can’t make it to Mexico and back, she said. "We haven’t officially made any determinations beyond Monday’s voyage, because we’re trying to nail down when the ship will go into dry docks," said de la Cruz. "We want to have all our ducks in row before we start making any announcements beyond Monday." Carnival, which operates the Holiday, is contacting travel agents who booked people on Monday’s cruise to notify their customers of the change. Passengers will have the option of canceling and receiving a refund or a credit for a future cruise, or proceeding with their trips. Those who choose the second option will receive a $100 credit for on-board purchases. "We did send faxes to all the travel agents, but given that it’s a holiday weekend, we’re hoping that as many people as possible get the word," de la Cruz said. Those who don’t will be told about the change in plans as they arrive at the Mobile Cruise Terminal on Monday, she said. Alton Wallace of Orange Beach and his wife Patsy won’t be making the drive to Mobile on Monday, he said. "I don’t really want to go to Key West. I’d rather just get my money back if that’s what they’re going to do," Wallace said Friday. The Wallaces have one of about 20 cabins reserved by choir members at Gulf Shores Methodist Church, he said. "I’ve heard from several others that they would just want their money back," he said. The engine problems developed on the voyage that returned to port Thursday morning, and the company immediately tried to ascertain the extent of the problems, as passengers for that afternoon’s cruise arrived at the terminal. "They brought in divers to look at the ship, and by the time they realized the extent of the problem, we had processed about 250 people (for Thursday afternoon’s trip) and had another 300 in line waiting," Mobile cruise terminal director Al St. Clair said Friday. Carnival decided to go ahead with the four-day cruise, and to call it the "Cruise to Nowhere." That’s an industry term usually applied to planned two-day trips without a destination, said the Carnival spokeswoman. About 5 percent of the 1,700 people canceled but most went ahead with the trip, a company official said. The reaction to the news was mixed, but there was "not anybody who was real happy," said St. Clair, who was at the terminal Thursday. "It was not an easy decision for people to make, and we had quite a few people who deliberated quite awhile," St. Clair said. "One of the concerns was, ‘How far would they be going?’ They wanted to go some place warmer where they could enjoy the pool, and at that point in time, it was rather sketchy, and I still don’t know how far out they went," he said. "We tried to help them from a terminal standpoint as much as we could, and those that left, we refunded their parking money right away," he said. As of Friday afternoon, de la Cruz wasn’t sure how far south the Holiday would venture. "The captain will just be looking for good weather and smooth seas," she said. "One of the nice things is that they don’t have to sail to a particular direction and they can just try to find good weather." The ship, which is the oldest vessel in Carnival’s fleet, requires a part that’s made in Italy, St. Clair said. The second factor, he said, is available space at a ship repair facility, probably Mobile’s Atlantic Marine. Said de la Cruz, "The facility has to have room for us and we have to have parts in, so there’s quite a bit involved to get it scheduled, but we’re working diligently." Currently scheduled cruises past Monday include the five-day excursion to Mexico set to leave Thursday, a four-day trip set to depart next Saturday, and a five-day voyage scheduled to begin Jan. 16. That trip almost surely will be canceled, St. Clair said. "They’re going to go into dry dock and they expect to be in dry dock for about a week to repair the engine, then they’ll need to do a sea trial," the Mobile city official said. De la Cruz encouraged people with reservations for upcoming voyages to contact their travel agents. Also, they can call 1-800-CARNIVAL. "We’ll give them updates as soon as we have them," she said. The city invested $20 million in the cruise terminal, and bad news for Carnival is bad news for the city. St. Clair said he hopes news of the Holiday’s problems won’t dampen what to date has been a successful operation. "Some people will, I guess, think a little bit more carefully before taking a cruise out of here than they normally would, but other than that, we’re doing the best we can," St. Clair said. "We try to make it as painless as possible from a terminal standpoint."

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snip >The engine problems developed on the voyage snip >"They brought in divers to look at the ship,

Divers to inspect mills? Unless it was an intake issue, divers would only be called in for running gear inspection (or hull eyeballing). The engines are inside the ship, although I guess in the case of electric pods, one could consider the pods themselves as an "engine". Tis a bummer about the CTN that those who entered into a passage contract had to make do with. Stuff happens <shrug>

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This article is an update from when the Holiday made its 4 day trip to Cozumel on 12/30 a Cruise To Nowhere. This article is in today’s Mobile Register. David Jacobson Baton Rouge Holiday faces week in dry dock Saturday, January 01, 2005 By EDDIE CURRAN Staff Reporter Vacationers with reservations aboard Carnival’s Holiday won’t be cruising to Mexico but will instead be visiting closer destinations or no destinations at all, a company spokeswoman said Friday. Some voyages scheduled for this month face cancellation, she said. The Holiday’s next cruise, a five-day voyage departing Monday with day-long stops in Cozumel and Playa del Carmen, won’t make it to those Mexican resorts, said spokeswoman Jennifer de la Cruz. Instead, the ship is headed to Key West, Fla., where passengers will have several hours to go ashore, she said. By early next week, the company hopes to know when the Holiday can come out of the water for repairs. The repair schedule will in turn determine the status of future cruises, the spokeswoman said. One thing’s for certain: The Holiday’s engine requires repairs that are expected to take a week or longer, and cruises prior to those repairs won’t be making their scheduled stops in Mexican resort areas, said de la Cruz. The Holiday can only sail at about half speed, and in the allotted time periods can’t make it to Mexico and back, she said. "We haven’t officially made any determinations beyond Monday’s voyage, because we’re trying to nail down when the ship will go into dry docks," said de la Cruz. "We want to have all our ducks in row before we start making any announcements beyond Monday." Carnival, which operates the Holiday, is contacting travel agents who booked people on Monday’s cruise to notify their customers of the change. Passengers will have the option of canceling and receiving a refund or a credit for a future cruise, or proceeding with their trips. Those who choose the second option will receive a $100 credit for on-board purchases. "We did send faxes to all the travel agents, but given that it’s a holiday weekend, we’re hoping that as many people as possible get the word," de la Cruz said. Those who don’t will be told about the change in plans as they arrive at the Mobile Cruise Terminal on Monday, she said. Alton Wallace of Orange Beach and his wife Patsy won’t be making the drive to Mobile on Monday, he said. "I don’t really want to go to Key West. I’d rather just get my money back if that’s what they’re going to do," Wallace said Friday. The Wallaces have one of about 20 cabins reserved by choir members at Gulf Shores Methodist Church, he said. "I’ve heard from several others that they would just want their money back," he said. The engine problems developed on the voyage that returned to port Thursday morning, and the company immediately tried to ascertain the extent of the problems, as passengers for that afternoon’s cruise arrived at the terminal. "They brought in divers to look at the ship, and by the time they realized the extent of the problem, we had processed about 250 people (for Thursday afternoon’s trip) and had another 300 in line waiting," Mobile cruise terminal director Al St. Clair said Friday. Carnival decided to go ahead with the four-day cruise, and to call it the "Cruise to Nowhere." That’s an industry term usually applied to planned two-day trips without a destination, said the Carnival spokeswoman. About 5 percent of the 1,700 people canceled but most went ahead with the trip, a company official said. The reaction to the news was mixed, but there was "not anybody who was real happy," said St. Clair, who was at the terminal Thursday. "It was not an easy decision for people to make, and we had quite a few people who deliberated quite awhile," St. Clair said. "One of the concerns was, ‘How far would they be going?’ They wanted to go some place warmer where they could enjoy the pool, and at that point in time, it was rather sketchy, and I still don’t know how far out they went," he said. "We tried to help them from a terminal standpoint as much as we could, and those that left, we refunded their parking money right away," he said. As of Friday afternoon, de la Cruz wasn’t sure how far south the Holiday would venture. "The captain will just be looking for good weather and smooth seas," she said. "One of the nice things is that they don’t have to sail to a particular direction and they can just try to find good weather." The ship, which is the oldest vessel in Carnival’s fleet, requires a part that’s made in Italy, St. Clair said. The second factor, he said, is available space at a ship repair facility, probably Mobile’s Atlantic Marine. Said de la Cruz, "The facility has to have room for us and we have to have parts in, so there’s quite a bit involved to get it scheduled, but we’re working diligently." Currently scheduled cruises past Monday include the five-day excursion to Mexico set to leave Thursday, a four-day trip set to depart next Saturday, and a five-day voyage scheduled to begin Jan. 16. That trip almost surely will be canceled, St. Clair said. "They’re going to go into dry dock and they expect to be in dry dock for about a week to repair the engine, then they’ll need to do a sea trial," the Mobile city official said. De la Cruz encouraged people with reservations for upcoming voyages to contact their travel agents. Also, they can call 1-800-CARNIVAL. "We’ll give them updates as soon as we have them," she said. The city invested $20 million in the cruise terminal, and bad news for Carnival is bad news for the city. St. Clair said he hopes news of the Holiday’s problems won’t dampen what to date has been a successful operation. "Some people will, I guess, think a little bit more carefully before taking a cruise out of here than they normally would, but other than that, we’re doing the best we can," St. Clair said. "We try to make it as painless as possible from a terminal standpoint."

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snip >The engine problems developed on the voyage snip >"They brought in divers to look at the ship,

Divers to inspect mills? Unless it was an intake issue, divers would only be called in for running gear inspection (or hull eyeballing). The engines are inside the ship, although I guess in the case of electric pods, one could consider the pods themselves as an "engine". Tis a bummer about the CTN that those who entered into a passage contract had to make do with. Stuff happens <shrug>

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Alaska cruise

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My wife and I are looking at taking a cruise in September of 2003 to Alaska. I would like advice as to what type of cruise we should take, a North bound, a South bound, or a round trip? This is going to be our first cruise and we would like to see as much as possible, as we have only 7 days to do it in.Thanks in advance for any help.                                                       Chad

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If you only have 7 days, I strongly recommend a round trip.  The travel time to or from Anchorage will consume many many more hours and dollars than the similar travel to or from Vancouver. Look for a cruise that includes Glacier Bay — it is the star attraction and not all cruises go there. KK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My wife and I are looking at taking a cruise in September of 2003 to Alaska. > I would like advice as to what type of cruise we should take, a North bound, > a South bound, or a round trip? This is going to be our first cruise and we > would like to see as much as possible, as we have only 7 days to do it > in.Thanks in advance for any help. >                                                       Chad

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I should have explained better I have 7 nights for the cruise itself , I can take a few extra days to travel to and from Detroit if I need it.Thanks in advance.                                                        Chad

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>My wife and I are looking at taking a cruise in September of 2003 to Alaska. >I would like advice as to what type of cruise we should take, a North bound, >a South bound, or a round trip? This is going to be our first cruise and we >would like to see as muc

I would go the earliest possible in Sept as the bad weather factor multiplies as the month goes on.  I wouldn’t consider a one way for my self without at least 5 additional interior touring days.  It is such a long and expensive trip to get there that I want to make the most of it.  If you do want a one way, I would go south- again for the weather factor.  But don’t think round trips are shortchanging your self,  they offer a lot in 7 days, 3 ports and a glacier same as the one ways.  I also highly recommend Glacier Bay-  my clear preference.  More ships go into the Bay in Sept as they are outside the permit restrictions- at least I know that Carnival goes in???

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Hi Chad, I too am doing my first Alaska cruise on Aug. 30 to Sept. 6th on Celebrity Infinity, its doing an inside passage.  In case you want to check it out, here is the link: http://www.cruisemates.com/Articles/CMcruises/alaska2002.cfm I believe after this one, there will be 2 more Alaska cruises for this ship before heading south.   Hope you find the right cruise for you. Donna Tuesday Chat Host http://www.cruisemates.com

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I am from Italy and i think to booking a 7 night cruise from Seattle to Alaska (roundtrip) in July 18, 2004. My preferred ship is Sapphire Princess and i find the best price at this internet travel agency: http://www.awcv.com/ It’s a good TA ? Someone of you had book a cruise with this TA ? Please write me your experience. Thanks in advance Frank

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Be aware that this route has a lot of outside passage sailing compared to some Vancouver departures.  The more inside the better in my experience. :)  (my opinion only).

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My husband and I would like to take an Alaska cruise.  This will be probably mid 2002 or after.  What I am looking for is anyone who has taken an Alaska cruise…what ship did you take, why did you like that ship/or not like it & would you recommend it.  We are in the "looking" stage and gathering information, so anything you would like to contribute to our search would be gratefully appreciated! Teresa

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Teresa, I’ve used Princess and did the 7 day tour and 7 day cruise. Alaska is incredible and if oyu can afford the time & money try to do the tour too. I picked Princess before I had cruised with them before and felt they gave good value for the money. You can go to their website 7 get info. Norma

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My husband and I would like to take an Alaska cruise.  This will be >probably mid 2002 or after.  What I am looking for is anyone who has >taken an Alaska cruise…what ship did you take, why did you like that >ship/or not like it & would you recommend it.  We are in the "looking" >stage and gathering information, so anything you would like to >contribute to our search would be gratefully appreciated! >Teresa

Far more important than a specific line should be the route- ports, and glacier as most of what you should go to Alaska for is OUTSIDE the ship.  :)   I have cruised Alaska 9 times.  I also DO NOT recommend a cruise tour.  Very fixed schedule that glosses over the tourist areas.  You can see more on your own for 1/2 the costs.  None go far enough into Denali – I recommend at least to Eielson.

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> I had the opposite experience with my 7-day Princess cruise earlier > this month.  Princess botched pretty much everything under their > direct control; the shore excursions were generally OK, though (and > one was excellent).  I would NOT recommend them.  YMMV.

My experience on four Princess cruises is that they do not botch anything. They have been the best of all the lines doing things right, including the small details. I would recommend Princess over the other cruise lines.

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> My husband and I would like to take an Alaska cruise.  This will be > probably mid 2002 or after.  What I am looking for is anyone who has > taken an Alaska cruise…what ship did you take, why did you like that > ship/or not like it & would you recommend it.  We are in the "looking" > stage and gathering information, so anything you would like to > contribute to our search would be gratefully appreciated! > Teresa

We took a cruise from Vancouver to Seward on the Ryndam (Holland America Lines) this past June.  The ship and service were first rate and we highly recommend this ship and HAL for those who like a quiet, subdued, and elegant atmosphere.  As others have attested to in this newsgroup, HAL caters to the more sedate crowd, and if  you’re looking for  lots of nightlife, this might not be the line for you. We also took a four day land tour to Anchorage, Denali, and Fairbanks following the cruise, and although we enjoyed it very much, our opinion is that the Westours branch of HAL, which arranges and leads such tours, is not quite up to the excellent standards of effiency that we saw on the ship.  For example, there were not enough busses waiting at the dock in Seward to accomodate all the people on our particular tour and some folks had to wait for an additional bus to arrive. On the other hand, the activities and sights were well worth it and we didn’t regret having signed up for the  land tour as well as the cruise.                         Naomi

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HOLLAND AMERICA has retractable pool cover – nice in Alaska climate.

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> >HOLLAND AMERICA has retractable pool cover – nice in Alaska climate. > Indeed, it was VERY nice.  The Westerdam has no balcony cabins, > though.  I think, if we should ever go to Alaska on a cruise again, I > would like a balcony cabin.

Its the reason I didnt choose that ship for my Panama Cruise… despite the fact i liked its ports better… I went with the Maasdam… was very happy too ! jay Sun, Jul 22, 2001 > Karen >    http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked >  (and leave off the "potatoes" to e-mail)

– Legend insists that as he finished his abject… Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

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I’ve cruised Alaska 7 times and my advice would be to go on one of the adventure cruiselines like Clipper or Alaska Sightweeing. They have very small ships, have no onboard night life. they spend the nights in various ports and local entertainers come onboard. The cruises have no casinos, they are designed to really see Alaska. They carry historians and naturalists and in Alaska, Clipper brings a native totem carver onboard. An independent tour into either Denali or the Kenai Peninsula before or after the cruise would make it an ideal trip. The advantage of the small ship over the large one is the ability to go where the large ship can’t go and the ability to follow more wildlife. Carole

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My husband and I would like to take an Alaska cruise.  This will be > probably mid 2002 or after.  What I am looking for is anyone who has > taken an Alaska cruise…what ship did you take, why did you like that > ship/or not like it & would you recommend it.  We are in the "looking" > stage and gathering information, so anything you would like to > contribute to our search would be gratefully appreciated! > Teresa > We took a cruise from Vancouver to Seward on the Ryndam (Holland > America Lines) this past June.  The ship and service were first rate > and we highly recommend this ship and HAL for those who like a quiet, > subdued, and elegant atmosphere.  As others have attested to in this > newsgroup, HAL caters to the more sedate crowd, and if  you’re looking > for  lots of nightlife, this might not be the line for you. > We also took a four day land tour to Anchorage, Denali, and Fairbanks > following the cruise, and although we enjoyed it very much, our > opinion is that the Westours branch of HAL, which arranges and leads > such tours, is not quite up to the excellent standards of effiency > that we saw on the ship.  For example, there were not enough busses > waiting at the dock in Seward to accomodate all the people on our > particular tour and some folks had to wait for an additional bus to > arrive. > On the other hand, the activities and sights were well worth it and we > didn’t regret having signed up for the  land tour as well as the > cruise. > Naomi

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I have the Radiance booked for August of next year….but, unfortunately will need to postpone that trip…anyway, I hear the Radiance is a gorgeous ship and has LOTS of glass to view the beauty of Alaska. Besides that, she’s brand-spanking new! :)

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I don’t like viewing through glass except in the dining room (fortunate to have a window table on the Rhapsody when that ship was "new").    Only a front open deck for me.  :)

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Princess does wonderful things in Alaska.  There are several ships and itineraries to choose from. To read our reviews and see our pictures go to http://www.elite.net/~thehalls/cruising.html Mike

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Read so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions would be appreciated.

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>Read so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise >Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when >school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more >rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible >on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the >dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions >would be appreciated.

Weather is unpredictable; however, we sailed in Alaska in late-May one year and it was beautiful–more snow on the distant mountains and not terribly cold nor rainy.  The only time during our cruise that I considered it "cold" was when we were viewing the glacier up close and spent most of the day outside on deck.  Before we arrived at the glacier it was sunny and warm.  The key is to dress in layers (add or subtract as necessary), have a cap to cover your ears, and at least light gloves. You won’t find any large cruise lines that outright bar children but you might want to look into some that don’t necessarily have very many on board.  As a rule, they are the more upscale lines such as Crystal and Radisson. Seven Seas.  Yes, later seating generally means fewer small children.  Either that, or possibly some of the smaller soft expedition type ships like Cruise West. Hope this helps. —– Linda Coffman Cruise Diva http://cruisediva.com "The best islands in the world are the ones that  float and move.  They’re called cruise ships."

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There are never as many kids on an Alaska cruise as there are on a Caribbean cruise. I remember sailing to Alaska on Princess when my daughter was a young teenager.  She was the only kid onboard.  The last time I sailed to Alaska was on Celebrity’s Galaxy and there were only 144 kids of all ages on the ship, a veery small percentage. Carole

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Read so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise > Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when > school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more > rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible > on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the > dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions > would be appreciated.

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I live in Anchorage.  Come in May instead of Sept. It is sure to be rainy in Sept. May is a great month, leaves are coming out and the air is crisp. And you get here before everyone in the tour industry is tuckered out and get grouchy !!! Alaska is the vacation of a lifetime, please come on up.

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thank you for responding to my inquiry.

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hiya! I think if you pick a trip longer than 7 days, you will have fewer kids onboard, (definitely do not pick less than 7 days) also if you check the pricing on the 3rd & 4th supplement, if it is higher than the average fees, that might stop some parents from cruising on those trips.. muffin > well at least that is the reasoning I would use if I was bringing kids.

Read so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions would be appreciated.

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You wrote; <<Come in May instead of Sept. It is sure to be rainy in Sept. May is a great month, leaves are coming out and the air is crisp.>> I wish WE could come earlier, but unfortunately, we only have August 10, 2002 as our one sailing option. It is absolutely impossible to change it. I realize you said the weather is nicer in May and early summer, but will early August be half-way decent, too, at least SOME of the days??:)

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We have done the Anchorage to Vancouver trip in early August. The weather was mid to high 60’s and most days were sunny. It did rain in Ketchikan and that is almost a given to have rain there. We wore layers of clothing and had travel umbrella’s and didn’t miss a thing. Have a wonderful trip. —

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This is no problem in Alaska as there are far fewer kids compared to the Caribbean.  With your choice of the time I would think World Explorer would be a good option for very few kids.  I do not recommend Sept travel.  As the month goes on the bad weather factor multiplies many times over.  Likely more rain, cold temps and dusk by 7pm,  May is far better in my experience.   As for Aug- it is my favorite time to travel Alaska- lower rates and still decent weather, great wildlife spotting.   .>ead so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when >school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more >rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible >on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the >dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions >would be appreciated.

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You can have iffy weather in May and September but it will reduce the number of kids onboard.  Plus the longer cruisetour will not attract as many families – however there may be some on the cruise portion.  Another option is try cruise on an upscale line – limited children’s programs.  Late dinner used to mean less kids, but it’s not always the rule. Debbie Schroeder  MCC Days Off Travel http://www.daysofftravel.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Read so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise > Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when > school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more > rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible > on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the > dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions > would be appreciated.

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>You can have iffy weather in May and September but it will reduce the number >of kids onboard.  Plus the l

In my  experience May is far better than September.

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I’m coming in August, Roses.  It’s the only month when my daughter and cabin mate can travel. Carole

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I live in Anchorage.  Come in May instead > of Sept. It is sure to be rainy in Sept. May is a great month, leaves > are coming out and the air is crisp. And you get here before everyone in > the tour industry is tuckered out and get grouchy !!! Alaska is the > vacation of a lifetime, please come on up.

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I can personally say that on Crystal there were very few children.  They even drop the Children’s Program person first if the ship get booked! We went at the end of June last year for 12 days and are doing the same time period this year slightly different cruise! Wayne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Read so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise > Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when > school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more > rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible > on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the > dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions > would be appreciated.

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Is this newsgroup appropriate to discuss cruises to Alaska? Thank you,

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> Is this newsgroup appropriate to discuss cruises to Alaska?

Absolutly. — Charles

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Good day, I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs southbound? 2)  Any preference in the location of the cabin? Looking at the sea or looking at the land? 3)  Position of the cabin on the boat: high, center or low and front, center or back? 4)  Best time of the year; spring, summer or fall? That’s all for now. Thank you, G. Robert

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> I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: > 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs > southbound? > 2)  Any preference in the location of the cabin? Looking at the sea or > looking at the land? > 3)  Position of the cabin on the boat: high, center or low and front, center > or back? > 4)  Best time of the year; spring, summer or fall?

if you want to see the real alaska, don’t come on a cruise ship. the cruise lines will do their best to ensure that you *never* escape their clutches, and will steer you to stores and "attractions" that pay them kickbacks to do so.     If you want to see the real Alaska, don’t come on a     cruise ship!  See the cruise industry rogue’s gallery     at http://www.cruisejunkie.com/#Environmental_Issues

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> Good day, > I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: > 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs > southbound?

South will bring you more towards major cities like Vancouver, but that’s a personal preference. > 2)  Any preference in the location of the cabin? Looking at the sea or > looking at the land?

If you do the Inside Passage, there’s land on both sides of the ship. If the ship goes out to sea, you see no land except when very close to ports. > 3)  Position of the cabin on the boat: high, center or low and front, center > or back?

One way to experience the scenery of Alaska is within the cabin. I find it confining in the sense of space, perspective, viewing levels. Even with the emphasis with the current cruiser on balconies I say they are totally unnecessary to enjoy Alaska. I sailed in Alaska with no balcony. The open deck spaces are there and afford more in the way of choice. You can view whatever you like, change what side of the ship you are on, change the level of your viewing perspective providing the ship has open access to another level. With cabins, I think the important thing has to do with ship motion, lower and closer to center is best. Higher and more forward, the most motion is felt. If the ship has aft vibrations that may be notice aft and lower. There’s also the issue of how close the cabin is to stairways or perhaps under high traffic areas where you may hear noise overhead or in surrounding areas. > 4)  Best time of the year; spring, summer or fall?

Summer the weather is less extreme. I think spring tends to have more days that are misty. > That’s all for now.

Good questions. Ben S. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you, > G. Robert

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> Good day, > I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: > 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs > southbound? > 2)  Any preference in the location of the cabin? Looking at the sea or > looking at the land? > 3)  Position of the cabin on the boat: high, center or low and front, center > or back? > 4)  Best time of the year; spring, summer or fall?

Sounds more like a survey, than just you having questions…

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I hope so, cuz that’s my next cruise, although not until July 31 of 2005. But, in the meantime, half the fun is in the planning and discussing. :) Welcome! Let’s talk Alaska! Lindsay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Is this newsgroup appropriate to discuss cruises to Alaska? >Thank you,

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>> Good day, > I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: > 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs > southbound? > South will bring you more towards major cities like Vancouver, but > that’s a personal preference.

When going north, how is Vancouver missing?

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i like southbound.  tour first, then more relaxing to cruise to vancouver. i love a balcony, although not necessary.  southbound port side look at sea but also land only goes late spring, summer — Sheree

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good day, > I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: > 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs > southbound? > 2)  Any preference in the location of the cabin? Looking at the sea or > looking at the land? > 3)  Position of the cabin on the boat: high, center or low and front, center > or back? > 4)  Best time of the year; spring, summer or fall? > That’s all for now. > Thank you, > G. Robert

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>>> Good day, >> I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: >> 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs >> southbound? > South will bring you more towards major cities like Vancouver, but > that’s a personal preference. >When going north, how is Vancouver missing?

It isn’t.  You board in Vancouver. We went on the northbound trip in July.  I’m glad we did it that way.  The scenery became more and more spectacular as we went up the coast, so each day was better and better.  We particularly liked ending with the view of Harvard Glacier.   We also liked being on the right side of the ship.  Yes, it is true that, on an Inside Passage cruise there is often land on both sides, the mainland is more likely to have mountains to view in the distance.   Sheila

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> if you want to see the real alaska, don’t come on a cruise ship. > the cruise lines will do their best to ensure that you *never* > escape their clutches, and will steer you to stores and > "attractions" that pay them kickbacks to do so.

Hey, Dennis – I hear that the old bitch that you called a "mother" finally died!  Tell us, was it the arsenic in her mashed potatoes, or did you do the "antifreeze in the orange juice" trick?  BTW, did you get the house?

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I have cruised BOTH ways,  the other posters may not have?  I prefer southbound for the excellent last sailing day back to Vancouver alone Vancouver Island- good chance for orca sightings.  This is done at night on the northbound.  You need to look at and consider more than the route-  strongly consider adding a week for interior touring-  round trip Vancouver sailings and one ways are actually more similar than different- so TAKE ADVANAGE of being in Anchorage. I rarely consider any one ways without College Fjords and give a big edge to Seward over Whittier. BUT again- way too many people just pass though- don’t be one of them- again experience the excellent touring possibilities. A MAJOR mistake people make with interior touring planning is to underestimate time and distance-  don’t get caught up in a short tour with all your time in transit. I am no fan of cruisetour and they are way overpriced for what little you get- extremely simple and far better to go on your own.  Also look at time in ports, ports, and glacier.  Budget fully for costly excursions- you get only half a trip without them.

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As for time- don’t consider anything past the first week of Sept-  too much range in possible weather.   If touring interior- strongly advised- have an arrival after June 1 for Denali Park roads to be open to at least Eielson.

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Very interesting; we are thinking about the same kind of vacation in 2006, open jaw either to Fairbanks and back to Vancouver/Seattle or to Seattle/ Vancouver and out of Fairbanks, with one half being a cruise and the other a self-driven land vacation. We are just beginning planning. Why Seward over Whittier? Why are the excursions so important.  Is it difficult to arrange/do these things on your own? Thanks in advance, Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have cruised BOTH ways,  the other posters may not have?  I prefer southbound > for the excellent last sailing day back to Vancouver alone Vancouver Island- > good chance for orca sightings.  This is done at night on the northbound.  You > need to look at and consider more than the route-  strongly consider adding a > week for interior touring-  round trip Vancouver sailings and one ways are > actually more similar than different- so TAKE ADVANAGE of being in Anchorage. > I rarely consider any one ways without College Fjords and give a big edge to > Seward over Whittier. BUT again- way too many people just pass though- don’t be > one of them- again experience the excellent touring possibilities. A MAJOR > mistake people make with interior touring planning is to underestimate time and > distance-  don’t get caught up in a short tour with all your time in transit. > I am no fan of cruisetour and they are way overpriced for what little you get- > extremely simple and far better to go on your own.  Also look at time in ports, > ports, and glacier.  Budget fully for costly excursions- you get only half a > trip without them.

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>Why Seward over Whittier? >Why are the excursions so important.  Is it difficult to arrange/do these >things on your own?

Seward offers just EXCELENT touring opportunities, Kenai Fjords boat trips are just superior for any varied marine wildlife viewing compared to other areas. But as I mentioned most people don’t have a clue and use this port to just pass though- don’t be one of them.  :)  As for why excursions are the most important????  The brochures are GREATLY enhanced-  for wildlife viewing you NEED TOURS,  superb are the flights which are my top recommendations.  You need to consider FAR more than just getting off the ships in the ports and just walking around- you will see VERY little going this route.  Necessary are plans and reservations in advances and certainly- plenty to arrange on your own. Myself- I NEVER consider any ship tours and alway go direct with venders, superior more personal tours, not always money savings.  Request each city’s visitor guide- plenty of info.  Head to your library and take out Frommer’s Alaska and Fodor’s Alaska- good concise books.  There are NO Seattle one way cruises only Vancouver/ Whittier or Seward on the major lines.  But easy transfer between Vancouver and Seattle.  A MAJOR factor in your planning- do not underestimate time and distance in interior Alaska- too many people do. Don’t consider plans that are too time consuming on the travel. Best is to spend time in areas to see it.  :0

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Thanks so much for your input.  We plan to preplan independant excursions in most areas. We’re headed via Seattle because we have friends there, I guess our plan is to take the train to Vancouver for a one way cruise (or back; still have not decided which. . . . ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Why Seward over Whittier? >Why are the excursions so important.  Is it difficult to arrange/do these >things on your own? > Seward offers just EXCELENT touring opportunities, Kenai Fjords boat trips are > just superior for any varied marine wildlife viewing compared to other areas. > But as I mentioned most people don’t have a clue and use this port to just pass > though- don’t be one of them.  :)  As for why excursions are the most > important????  The brochures are GREATLY enhanced-  for wildlife viewing you > NEED TOURS,  superb are the flights which are my top recommendations.  You need > to consider FAR more than just getting off the ships in the ports and just > walking around- you will see VERY little going this route.  Necessary are plans > and reservations in advances and certainly- plenty to arrange on your own. > Myself- I NEVER consider any ship tours and alway go direct with venders, > superior more personal tours, not always money savings.  Request each city’s > visitor guide- plenty of info.  Head to your library and take out Frommer’s > Alaska and Fodor’s Alaska- good concise books.  There are NO Seattle one way > cruises only Vancouver/ Whittier or Seward on the major lines.  But easy > transfer between Vancouver and Seattle.  A MAJOR factor in your planning- do > not underestimate time and distance in interior Alaska- too many people do. > Don’t consider plans that are too time consuming on the travel. Best is to > spend time in areas to see it.  :0

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>Good day, >I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: >1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs >southbound?

Southbound,  Go up and sight see before the cruise, go see denali! then when you get on the cruise you can relax after the running around >2)  Any preference in the location of the cabin? Looking at the sea or >looking at the land?

I had a Ocean side Balcony room on the summit in Sep. It was Great but I thing the Land side would have been better as you can only be "inspired" by ocean so long. One major plus though was the sunsets. >3)  Position of the cabin on the boat: high, center or low and front, center >or back?

We wer all the way Aft and had a smooth ride >4)  Best time of the year; spring, summer or fall?

Been to alaska twice in the Fall and Loved both times though the weather can be rainy >That’s all for now. >Thank you, >G. Robert

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>As for time- don’t consider anything past the first week of Sept-  too much >range in possible weather.  

I’m glad we hadn’t been given this advice the first time we cruised to Alaska. We departed sunny San Francisco the last week of September for a ten-day cruise.  The only day of rain we had was in Ketchikan.  We had a lot of sun most everywhere else.   Would I prefer earlier?  Sure.   It’s warmer in Alaska earlier in the season. But if a great September deal came up, especially on a round-trip from San Francisco (which is at her best in September), I wouldn’t hesitate booking a round-trip cruise to Alaska after the first week of September.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->As for time- don’t consider anything past the first week of Sept-  too much >range in possible weather.   >I’m glad we hadn’t been given this advice the first time we cruised to >Alaska. >We departed sunny San Francisco the last week of September for a ten-day >cruise.  The only day of rain we had was in Ketchikan.  We had a lot of sun >most everywhere else.   >Would I prefer earlier?  Sure.   It’s warmer in Alaska earlier in the season. >But if a great September deal came up, especially on a round-trip from San >Francisco (which is at her best in September), I wouldn’t hesitate booking a >round-trip cruise to Alaska after the first week of September.

Agree. I have also been very lucky in September too. Sure there were times there was more rain, but hey, I am from AZ and rain is a novelty. The only problem I have seen is getting up there before bearwatching season is over. But I lucked out on my September 19th cruise and had excellent flying weather in Ketchikan and saw many bears at Neets Bay! This happenned after being told it was too late in the season by many experts on this board and elsewhere. Next year I have planned a cruise on the Zaandam that departs September 10th. By going earlier in September, I hope to increase my chances to see the bears feeding on salmon (at Traitors Cove this time). The SF departure sounds wonderful and I would love to do it…..but I can’t get off that much work :( Sean

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I am from Italy and i think to booking a 7 night cruise from Seattle to Alaska (roundtrip) in July 18, 2004. My preferred ship is Sapphire Princess and i find the best price at this internet travel agency: http://www.awcv.com/ It’s a good TA ? Someone of you had book a cruise with this TA ? Please write me your experience. Thanks in advance Frank

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Be aware that this route has a lot of outside passage sailing compared to some Vancouver departures.  The more inside the better in my experience. :)  (my opinion only).

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My wife and I are looking at taking a cruise in September of 2003 to Alaska. I would like advice as to what type of cruise we should take, a North bound, a South bound, or a round trip? This is going to be our first cruise and we would like to see as much as possible, as we have only 7 days to do it in.Thanks in advance for any help.                                                       Chad

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If you only have 7 days, I strongly recommend a round trip.  The travel time to or from Anchorage will consume many many more hours and dollars than the similar travel to or from Vancouver. Look for a cruise that includes Glacier Bay — it is the star attraction and not all cruises go there. KK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My wife and I are looking at taking a cruise in September of 2003 to Alaska. > I would like advice as to what type of cruise we should take, a North bound, > a South bound, or a round trip? This is going to be our first cruise and we > would like to see as much as possible, as we have only 7 days to do it > in.Thanks in advance for any help. >                                                       Chad

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I should have explained better I have 7 nights for the cruise itself , I can take a few extra days to travel to and from Detroit if I need it.Thanks in advance.                                                        Chad

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>My wife and I are looking at taking a cruise in September of 2003 to Alaska. >I would like advice as to what type of cruise we should take, a North bound, >a South bound, or a round trip? This is going to be our first cruise and we >would like to see as muc

I would go the earliest possible in Sept as the bad weather factor multiplies as the month goes on.  I wouldn’t consider a one way for my self without at least 5 additional interior touring days.  It is such a long and expensive trip to get there that I want to make the most of it.  If you do want a one way, I would go south- again for the weather factor.  But don’t think round trips are shortchanging your self,  they offer a lot in 7 days, 3 ports and a glacier same as the one ways.  I also highly recommend Glacier Bay-  my clear preference.  More ships go into the Bay in Sept as they are outside the permit restrictions- at least I know that Carnival goes in???

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Hi Chad, I too am doing my first Alaska cruise on Aug. 30 to Sept. 6th on Celebrity Infinity, its doing an inside passage.  In case you want to check it out, here is the link: http://www.cruisemates.com/Articles/CMcruises/alaska2002.cfm I believe after this one, there will be 2 more Alaska cruises for this ship before heading south.   Hope you find the right cruise for you. Donna Tuesday Chat Host http://www.cruisemates.com

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My husband and I would like to take an Alaska cruise.  This will be probably mid 2002 or after.  What I am looking for is anyone who has taken an Alaska cruise…what ship did you take, why did you like that ship/or not like it & would you recommend it.  We are in the "looking" stage and gathering information, so anything you would like to contribute to our search would be gratefully appreciated! Teresa

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Teresa, I’ve used Princess and did the 7 day tour and 7 day cruise. Alaska is incredible and if oyu can afford the time & money try to do the tour too. I picked Princess before I had cruised with them before and felt they gave good value for the money. You can go to their website 7 get info. Norma

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My husband and I would like to take an Alaska cruise.  This will be >probably mid 2002 or after.  What I am looking for is anyone who has >taken an Alaska cruise…what ship did you take, why did you like that >ship/or not like it & would you recommend it.  We are in the "looking" >stage and gathering information, so anything you would like to >contribute to our search would be gratefully appreciated! >Teresa

Far more important than a specific line should be the route- ports, and glacier as most of what you should go to Alaska for is OUTSIDE the ship.  :)   I have cruised Alaska 9 times.  I also DO NOT recommend a cruise tour.  Very fixed schedule that glosses over the tourist areas.  You can see more on your own for 1/2 the costs.  None go far enough into Denali – I recommend at least to Eielson.

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> I had the opposite experience with my 7-day Princess cruise earlier > this month.  Princess botched pretty much everything under their > direct control; the shore excursions were generally OK, though (and > one was excellent).  I would NOT recommend them.  YMMV.

My experience on four Princess cruises is that they do not botch anything. They have been the best of all the lines doing things right, including the small details. I would recommend Princess over the other cruise lines.

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> My husband and I would like to take an Alaska cruise.  This will be > probably mid 2002 or after.  What I am looking for is anyone who has > taken an Alaska cruise…what ship did you take, why did you like that > ship/or not like it & would you recommend it.  We are in the "looking" > stage and gathering information, so anything you would like to > contribute to our search would be gratefully appreciated! > Teresa

We took a cruise from Vancouver to Seward on the Ryndam (Holland America Lines) this past June.  The ship and service were first rate and we highly recommend this ship and HAL for those who like a quiet, subdued, and elegant atmosphere.  As others have attested to in this newsgroup, HAL caters to the more sedate crowd, and if  you’re looking for  lots of nightlife, this might not be the line for you. We also took a four day land tour to Anchorage, Denali, and Fairbanks following the cruise, and although we enjoyed it very much, our opinion is that the Westours branch of HAL, which arranges and leads such tours, is not quite up to the excellent standards of effiency that we saw on the ship.  For example, there were not enough busses waiting at the dock in Seward to accomodate all the people on our particular tour and some folks had to wait for an additional bus to arrive. On the other hand, the activities and sights were well worth it and we didn’t regret having signed up for the  land tour as well as the cruise.                         Naomi

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HOLLAND AMERICA has retractable pool cover – nice in Alaska climate.

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> >HOLLAND AMERICA has retractable pool cover – nice in Alaska climate. > Indeed, it was VERY nice.  The Westerdam has no balcony cabins, > though.  I think, if we should ever go to Alaska on a cruise again, I > would like a balcony cabin.

Its the reason I didnt choose that ship for my Panama Cruise… despite the fact i liked its ports better… I went with the Maasdam… was very happy too ! jay Sun, Jul 22, 2001 > Karen >    http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked >  (and leave off the "potatoes" to e-mail)

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I’ve cruised Alaska 7 times and my advice would be to go on one of the adventure cruiselines like Clipper or Alaska Sightweeing. They have very small ships, have no onboard night life. they spend the nights in various ports and local entertainers come onboard. The cruises have no casinos, they are designed to really see Alaska. They carry historians and naturalists and in Alaska, Clipper brings a native totem carver onboard. An independent tour into either Denali or the Kenai Peninsula before or after the cruise would make it an ideal trip. The advantage of the small ship over the large one is the ability to go where the large ship can’t go and the ability to follow more wildlife. Carole

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My husband and I would like to take an Alaska cruise.  This will be > probably mid 2002 or after.  What I am looking for is anyone who has > taken an Alaska cruise…what ship did you take, why did you like that > ship/or not like it & would you recommend it.  We are in the "looking" > stage and gathering information, so anything you would like to > contribute to our search would be gratefully appreciated! > Teresa > We took a cruise from Vancouver to Seward on the Ryndam (Holland > America Lines) this past June.  The ship and service were first rate > and we highly recommend this ship and HAL for those who like a quiet, > subdued, and elegant atmosphere.  As others have attested to in this > newsgroup, HAL caters to the more sedate crowd, and if  you’re looking > for  lots of nightlife, this might not be the line for you. > We also took a four day land tour to Anchorage, Denali, and Fairbanks > following the cruise, and although we enjoyed it very much, our > opinion is that the Westours branch of HAL, which arranges and leads > such tours, is not quite up to the excellent standards of effiency > that we saw on the ship.  For example, there were not enough busses > waiting at the dock in Seward to accomodate all the people on our > particular tour and some folks had to wait for an additional bus to > arrive. > On the other hand, the activities and sights were well worth it and we > didn’t regret having signed up for the  land tour as well as the > cruise. > Naomi

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I have the Radiance booked for August of next year….but, unfortunately will need to postpone that trip…anyway, I hear the Radiance is a gorgeous ship and has LOTS of glass to view the beauty of Alaska. Besides that, she’s brand-spanking new! :)

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I don’t like viewing through glass except in the dining room (fortunate to have a window table on the Rhapsody when that ship was "new").    Only a front open deck for me.  :)

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Princess does wonderful things in Alaska.  There are several ships and itineraries to choose from. To read our reviews and see our pictures go to http://www.elite.net/~thehalls/cruising.html Mike

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Read so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions would be appreciated.

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>Read so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise >Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when >school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more >rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible >on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the >dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions >would be appreciated.

Weather is unpredictable; however, we sailed in Alaska in late-May one year and it was beautiful–more snow on the distant mountains and not terribly cold nor rainy.  The only time during our cruise that I considered it "cold" was when we were viewing the glacier up close and spent most of the day outside on deck.  Before we arrived at the glacier it was sunny and warm.  The key is to dress in layers (add or subtract as necessary), have a cap to cover your ears, and at least light gloves. You won’t find any large cruise lines that outright bar children but you might want to look into some that don’t necessarily have very many on board.  As a rule, they are the more upscale lines such as Crystal and Radisson. Seven Seas.  Yes, later seating generally means fewer small children.  Either that, or possibly some of the smaller soft expedition type ships like Cruise West. Hope this helps. —– Linda Coffman Cruise Diva http://cruisediva.com "The best islands in the world are the ones that  float and move.  They’re called cruise ships."

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There are never as many kids on an Alaska cruise as there are on a Caribbean cruise. I remember sailing to Alaska on Princess when my daughter was a young teenager.  She was the only kid onboard.  The last time I sailed to Alaska was on Celebrity’s Galaxy and there were only 144 kids of all ages on the ship, a veery small percentage. Carole

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Read so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise > Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when > school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more > rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible > on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the > dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions > would be appreciated.

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I live in Anchorage.  Come in May instead of Sept. It is sure to be rainy in Sept. May is a great month, leaves are coming out and the air is crisp. And you get here before everyone in the tour industry is tuckered out and get grouchy !!! Alaska is the vacation of a lifetime, please come on up.

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thank you for responding to my inquiry.

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hiya! I think if you pick a trip longer than 7 days, you will have fewer kids onboard, (definitely do not pick less than 7 days) also if you check the pricing on the 3rd & 4th supplement, if it is higher than the average fees, that might stop some parents from cruising on those trips.. muffin > well at least that is the reasoning I would use if I was bringing kids.

Read so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions would be appreciated.

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You wrote; <<Come in May instead of Sept. It is sure to be rainy in Sept. May is a great month, leaves are coming out and the air is crisp.>> I wish WE could come earlier, but unfortunately, we only have August 10, 2002 as our one sailing option. It is absolutely impossible to change it. I realize you said the weather is nicer in May and early summer, but will early August be half-way decent, too, at least SOME of the days??:)

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We have done the Anchorage to Vancouver trip in early August. The weather was mid to high 60’s and most days were sunny. It did rain in Ketchikan and that is almost a given to have rain there. We wore layers of clothing and had travel umbrella’s and didn’t miss a thing. Have a wonderful trip. —

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This is no problem in Alaska as there are far fewer kids compared to the Caribbean.  With your choice of the time I would think World Explorer would be a good option for very few kids.  I do not recommend Sept travel.  As the month goes on the bad weather factor multiplies many times over.  Likely more rain, cold temps and dusk by 7pm,  May is far better in my experience.   As for Aug- it is my favorite time to travel Alaska- lower rates and still decent weather, great wildlife spotting.   .>ead so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when >school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more >rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible >on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the >dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions >would be appreciated.

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You can have iffy weather in May and September but it will reduce the number of kids onboard.  Plus the longer cruisetour will not attract as many families – however there may be some on the cruise portion.  Another option is try cruise on an upscale line – limited children’s programs.  Late dinner used to mean less kids, but it’s not always the rule. Debbie Schroeder  MCC Days Off Travel http://www.daysofftravel.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Read so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise > Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when > school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more > rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible > on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the > dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions > would be appreciated.

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>You can have iffy weather in May and September but it will reduce the number >of kids onboard.  Plus the l

In my  experience May is far better than September.

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I’m coming in August, Roses.  It’s the only month when my daughter and cabin mate can travel. Carole

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I live in Anchorage.  Come in May instead > of Sept. It is sure to be rainy in Sept. May is a great month, leaves > are coming out and the air is crisp. And you get here before everyone in > the tour industry is tuckered out and get grouchy !!! Alaska is the > vacation of a lifetime, please come on up.

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I can personally say that on Crystal there were very few children.  They even drop the Children’s Program person first if the ship get booked! We went at the end of June last year for 12 days and are doing the same time period this year slightly different cruise! Wayne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Read so many postings how to avoid cruises with kids.  We want to cruise > Alaska for 10-12 days in 2002.  If we are to avoid the months when > school is out, would May or September be very much cooler and  more > rainy than  the  three summer months.  We want as few kids  as possible > on board.  Also would a later dinner necessarily mean less kids in the > dinnig room?  We are retired and never been on a cruise.  Suggestions > would be appreciated.

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Is this newsgroup appropriate to discuss cruises to Alaska? Thank you,

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> Is this newsgroup appropriate to discuss cruises to Alaska?

Absolutly. — Charles

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Good day, I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs southbound? 2)  Any preference in the location of the cabin? Looking at the sea or looking at the land? 3)  Position of the cabin on the boat: high, center or low and front, center or back? 4)  Best time of the year; spring, summer or fall? That’s all for now. Thank you, G. Robert

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> I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: > 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs > southbound? > 2)  Any preference in the location of the cabin? Looking at the sea or > looking at the land? > 3)  Position of the cabin on the boat: high, center or low and front, center > or back? > 4)  Best time of the year; spring, summer or fall?

if you want to see the real alaska, don’t come on a cruise ship. the cruise lines will do their best to ensure that you *never* escape their clutches, and will steer you to stores and "attractions" that pay them kickbacks to do so.     If you want to see the real Alaska, don’t come on a     cruise ship!  See the cruise industry rogue’s gallery     at http://www.cruisejunkie.com/#Environmental_Issues

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> Good day, > I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: > 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs > southbound?

South will bring you more towards major cities like Vancouver, but that’s a personal preference. > 2)  Any preference in the location of the cabin? Looking at the sea or > looking at the land?

If you do the Inside Passage, there’s land on both sides of the ship. If the ship goes out to sea, you see no land except when very close to ports. > 3)  Position of the cabin on the boat: high, center or low and front, center > or back?

One way to experience the scenery of Alaska is within the cabin. I find it confining in the sense of space, perspective, viewing levels. Even with the emphasis with the current cruiser on balconies I say they are totally unnecessary to enjoy Alaska. I sailed in Alaska with no balcony. The open deck spaces are there and afford more in the way of choice. You can view whatever you like, change what side of the ship you are on, change the level of your viewing perspective providing the ship has open access to another level. With cabins, I think the important thing has to do with ship motion, lower and closer to center is best. Higher and more forward, the most motion is felt. If the ship has aft vibrations that may be notice aft and lower. There’s also the issue of how close the cabin is to stairways or perhaps under high traffic areas where you may hear noise overhead or in surrounding areas. > 4)  Best time of the year; spring, summer or fall?

Summer the weather is less extreme. I think spring tends to have more days that are misty. > That’s all for now.

Good questions. Ben S. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you, > G. Robert

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> Good day, > I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: > 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs > southbound? > 2)  Any preference in the location of the cabin? Looking at the sea or > looking at the land? > 3)  Position of the cabin on the boat: high, center or low and front, center > or back? > 4)  Best time of the year; spring, summer or fall?

Sounds more like a survey, than just you having questions…

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I hope so, cuz that’s my next cruise, although not until July 31 of 2005. But, in the meantime, half the fun is in the planning and discussing. :) Welcome! Let’s talk Alaska! Lindsay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Is this newsgroup appropriate to discuss cruises to Alaska? >Thank you,

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>> Good day, > I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: > 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs > southbound? > South will bring you more towards major cities like Vancouver, but > that’s a personal preference.

When going north, how is Vancouver missing?

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i like southbound.  tour first, then more relaxing to cruise to vancouver. i love a balcony, although not necessary.  southbound port side look at sea but also land only goes late spring, summer — Sheree

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good day, > I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: > 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs > southbound? > 2)  Any preference in the location of the cabin? Looking at the sea or > looking at the land? > 3)  Position of the cabin on the boat: high, center or low and front, center > or back? > 4)  Best time of the year; spring, summer or fall? > That’s all for now. > Thank you, > G. Robert

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>>> Good day, >> I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: >> 1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs >> southbound? > South will bring you more towards major cities like Vancouver, but > that’s a personal preference. >When going north, how is Vancouver missing?

It isn’t.  You board in Vancouver. We went on the northbound trip in July.  I’m glad we did it that way.  The scenery became more and more spectacular as we went up the coast, so each day was better and better.  We particularly liked ending with the view of Harvard Glacier.   We also liked being on the right side of the ship.  Yes, it is true that, on an Inside Passage cruise there is often land on both sides, the mainland is more likely to have mountains to view in the distance.   Sheila

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> if you want to see the real alaska, don’t come on a cruise ship. > the cruise lines will do their best to ensure that you *never* > escape their clutches, and will steer you to stores and > "attractions" that pay them kickbacks to do so.

Hey, Dennis – I hear that the old bitch that you called a "mother" finally died!  Tell us, was it the arsenic in her mashed potatoes, or did you do the "antifreeze in the orange juice" trick?  BTW, did you get the house?

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I have cruised BOTH ways,  the other posters may not have?  I prefer southbound for the excellent last sailing day back to Vancouver alone Vancouver Island- good chance for orca sightings.  This is done at night on the northbound.  You need to look at and consider more than the route-  strongly consider adding a week for interior touring-  round trip Vancouver sailings and one ways are actually more similar than different- so TAKE ADVANAGE of being in Anchorage. I rarely consider any one ways without College Fjords and give a big edge to Seward over Whittier. BUT again- way too many people just pass though- don’t be one of them- again experience the excellent touring possibilities. A MAJOR mistake people make with interior touring planning is to underestimate time and distance-  don’t get caught up in a short tour with all your time in transit. I am no fan of cruisetour and they are way overpriced for what little you get- extremely simple and far better to go on your own.  Also look at time in ports, ports, and glacier.  Budget fully for costly excursions- you get only half a trip without them.

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As for time- don’t consider anything past the first week of Sept-  too much range in possible weather.   If touring interior- strongly advised- have an arrival after June 1 for Denali Park roads to be open to at least Eielson.

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Very interesting; we are thinking about the same kind of vacation in 2006, open jaw either to Fairbanks and back to Vancouver/Seattle or to Seattle/ Vancouver and out of Fairbanks, with one half being a cruise and the other a self-driven land vacation. We are just beginning planning. Why Seward over Whittier? Why are the excursions so important.  Is it difficult to arrange/do these things on your own? Thanks in advance, Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have cruised BOTH ways,  the other posters may not have?  I prefer southbound > for the excellent last sailing day back to Vancouver alone Vancouver Island- > good chance for orca sightings.  This is done at night on the northbound.  You > need to look at and consider more than the route-  strongly consider adding a > week for interior touring-  round trip Vancouver sailings and one ways are > actually more similar than different- so TAKE ADVANAGE of being in Anchorage. > I rarely consider any one ways without College Fjords and give a big edge to > Seward over Whittier. BUT again- way too many people just pass though- don’t be > one of them- again experience the excellent touring possibilities. A MAJOR > mistake people make with interior touring planning is to underestimate time and > distance-  don’t get caught up in a short tour with all your time in transit. > I am no fan of cruisetour and they are way overpriced for what little you get- > extremely simple and far better to go on your own.  Also look at time in ports, > ports, and glacier.  Budget fully for costly excursions- you get only half a > trip without them.

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>Why Seward over Whittier? >Why are the excursions so important.  Is it difficult to arrange/do these >things on your own?

Seward offers just EXCELENT touring opportunities, Kenai Fjords boat trips are just superior for any varied marine wildlife viewing compared to other areas. But as I mentioned most people don’t have a clue and use this port to just pass though- don’t be one of them.  :)  As for why excursions are the most important????  The brochures are GREATLY enhanced-  for wildlife viewing you NEED TOURS,  superb are the flights which are my top recommendations.  You need to consider FAR more than just getting off the ships in the ports and just walking around- you will see VERY little going this route.  Necessary are plans and reservations in advances and certainly- plenty to arrange on your own. Myself- I NEVER consider any ship tours and alway go direct with venders, superior more personal tours, not always money savings.  Request each city’s visitor guide- plenty of info.  Head to your library and take out Frommer’s Alaska and Fodor’s Alaska- good concise books.  There are NO Seattle one way cruises only Vancouver/ Whittier or Seward on the major lines.  But easy transfer between Vancouver and Seattle.  A MAJOR factor in your planning- do not underestimate time and distance in interior Alaska- too many people do. Don’t consider plans that are too time consuming on the travel. Best is to spend time in areas to see it.  :0

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Thanks so much for your input.  We plan to preplan independant excursions in most areas. We’re headed via Seattle because we have friends there, I guess our plan is to take the train to Vancouver for a one way cruise (or back; still have not decided which. . . . ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Why Seward over Whittier? >Why are the excursions so important.  Is it difficult to arrange/do these >things on your own? > Seward offers just EXCELENT touring opportunities, Kenai Fjords boat trips are > just superior for any varied marine wildlife viewing compared to other areas. > But as I mentioned most people don’t have a clue and use this port to just pass > though- don’t be one of them.  :)  As for why excursions are the most > important????  The brochures are GREATLY enhanced-  for wildlife viewing you > NEED TOURS,  superb are the flights which are my top recommendations.  You need > to consider FAR more than just getting off the ships in the ports and just > walking around- you will see VERY little going this route.  Necessary are plans > and reservations in advances and certainly- plenty to arrange on your own. > Myself- I NEVER consider any ship tours and alway go direct with venders, > superior more personal tours, not always money savings.  Request each city’s > visitor guide- plenty of info.  Head to your library and take out Frommer’s > Alaska and Fodor’s Alaska- good concise books.  There are NO Seattle one way > cruises only Vancouver/ Whittier or Seward on the major lines.  But easy > transfer between Vancouver and Seattle.  A MAJOR factor in your planning- do > not underestimate time and distance in interior Alaska- too many people do. > Don’t consider plans that are too time consuming on the travel. Best is to > spend time in areas to see it.  :0

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>Good day, >I have a few questions concerning a cruise to Alaska: >1)  Any preference in the directin of the cruise; i.e. northbound vs >southbound?

Southbound,  Go up and sight see before the cruise, go see denali! then when you get on the cruise you can relax after the running around >2)  Any preference in the location of the cabin? Looking at the sea or >looking at the land?

I had a Ocean side Balcony room on the summit in Sep. It was Great but I thing the Land side would have been better as you can only be "inspired" by ocean so long. One major plus though was the sunsets. >3)  Position of the cabin on the boat: high, center or low and front, center >or back?

We wer all the way Aft and had a smooth ride >4)  Best time of the year; spring, summer or fall?

Been to alaska twice in the Fall and Loved both times though the weather can be rainy >That’s all for now. >Thank you, >G. Robert

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>As for time- don’t consider anything past the first week of Sept-  too much >range in possible weather.  

I’m glad we hadn’t been given this advice the first time we cruised to Alaska. We departed sunny San Francisco the last week of September for a ten-day cruise.  The only day of rain we had was in Ketchikan.  We had a lot of sun most everywhere else.   Would I prefer earlier?  Sure.   It’s warmer in Alaska earlier in the season. But if a great September deal came up, especially on a round-trip from San Francisco (which is at her best in September), I wouldn’t hesitate booking a round-trip cruise to Alaska after the first week of September.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->As for time- don’t consider anything past the first week of Sept-  too much >range in possible weather.   >I’m glad we hadn’t been given this advice the first time we cruised to >Alaska. >We departed sunny San Francisco the last week of September for a ten-day >cruise.  The only day of rain we had was in Ketchikan.  We had a lot of sun >most everywhere else.   >Would I prefer earlier?  Sure.   It’s warmer in Alaska earlier in the season. >But if a great September deal came up, especially on a round-trip from San >Francisco (which is at her best in September), I wouldn’t hesitate booking a >round-trip cruise to Alaska after the first week of September.

Agree. I have also been very lucky in September too. Sure there were times there was more rain, but hey, I am from AZ and rain is a novelty. The only problem I have seen is getting up there before bearwatching season is over. But I lucked out on my September 19th cruise and had excellent flying weather in Ketchikan and saw many bears at Neets Bay! This happenned after being told it was too late in the season by many experts on this board and elsewhere. Next year I have planned a cruise on the Zaandam that departs September 10th. By going earlier in September, I hope to increase my chances to see the bears feeding on salmon (at Traitors Cove this time). The SF departure sounds wonderful and I would love to do it…..but I can’t get off that much work :( Sean

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Ozzfest's energy, decibels higher this year

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I just find ‘em, calm the fuck down.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> what a douche bag…he called "Lamb of God" "Lamb of Cool"…duh! And anyone > would take this review seriously because why? Steve Morse should be > reviewing KC and the Sunshine Band NOT Ozzfest…the Boston Globe sucks > donkey ass…fuck them! >       By Steve Morse, Globe Staff >       July 13, 2004 >       MANSFIELD — Ozzy Osbourne’s traveling metal circus — better known > as > Ozzfest — came ringing into town yesterday with 20 bands, 20 trucks, 40 > buses, 525 crew members, and nearly 14 hours of music. It started early, > ended late, and touched every style of metal from old-school Black Sabbath > and Judas Priest to the speed-core, noise-core, and whatever-core played > by > young bucks looking to make a name for themselves on a second stage where > decibels and testosterone were pushed to the max. >       The show sold out, though the one-night stand was down from two > nights > in the past. But the energy level was definitely higher than last year > when > some poseurs were on the grounds (Marilyn Manson, for one) and Ozzy played > with his solo band rather than with Black Sabbath, which lived up to > expectations last night with a pummeling set that had the horn salutes > raised high. >       And Osbourne, who looked much better than he did last time, startled > some fans with video to his opener, "War Pigs," which juxtaposed photos of > George Bush and Adolph Hitler, with an unprintable caption about how they > resemble each other. >       Although Ozzfest is typically a celebration of alternative > lifestyles, > this year’s version often had a political edge. The band Otep reminded the > crowd to question "priests and police and politicians." The group Bleeding > Through said the country needed a "new leader." And a couple of acts stood > up for the troops overseas: Black Label Society’s Zakk Wylde dedicated a > song to them, while Superjoint Ritual’s Phil Anselmo said "crushing the > enemy is something we had to do." >       The second-stage action started just before 10 a.m. and was filled > with many of the best underground metal bands. Atreyu had to cancel > because > it didn’t make it back from a gig the night before in Montreal, but the > schedule ran ahead of time as a result. The SoCal band Throwdown played > solid, throat-shredding hardcore, Magna-Fi got "Down In It," as their song > implied, DevilDriver (featuring Dez Fafara of Coal Chamber) offered > screaming speedcore with a dark edge, and God Forbid boasted dreadlocked > singer Byron Davis, who had the most piercing voice of the day. Boston’s > Unearth refreshingly mixed some aggression with showmanship, Every Time I > Die offered unhinged hardcore, and Otep had a female singer whose ghoulish > screams kept up with the boys. >       Also on the second stage: Italy’s Lacuna Coil sounded like a > wanna-be > Evanescence, Lamb of Cool was brutish to the point of silliness, but the > best was yet to come with Hatebreed (with confident singer/shouter Jamey > Jasta showing why he’s the host of MTV2’s "Headbangers Ball") and > Slipknot, > boasting all-new masks and black robes like Darth Vader’s minions, but > they > rocked the crowd and ignited the moshers more than anyone else. >       On the main stage at night, Slayer scored with its punishing speed > metal — and Judas Priest struggled after them before singer Rob Halford, > who reunited with Priest last year, took command with hits that held the > crowd captive. And then Sabbath wrapped it up with metal mentor Ozzy > managing to offer some new tricks to fight off any dinosaur rust.

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Venice Water Taxi

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> Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the USA > did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money    The > US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!!

And DO NOT change US dollars into Euros at the airport change booth~~the exchange charge is awful. For $50. I got $31.50 in euro. Then we went out to get the bus to Piazzale Roma and found they had a coin exchange machine there for the ATVO bus which cost us 3 euro each.. Less than a block from our hotel was an ATM machine that we used from then on… Try to get some euros from a bank before you leave and then use your ATM card wherever you see an ATM, as you will get the best exchange rate there for that day. –Jean

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Ray: When in Venice, one is not suppose to rush.  Silly American <grin> Besides, sir, I already posted here that there was a water bus from the airport. Now, Ray, I might not know anything about cruising but   1) I do know Europe   2) I usually win the trivia contests when I do cruise. <double grin> Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone, > Let me correct my earlier post.  There is a  vaporetto (water bus) > that will take you from the airport to Venice.  I recall that it was a > very slow way to travel which is why I used the combination vaporetto > and bus.  I am sorry for any confusion that I may have caused. > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the >USA >> did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money The >> US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!! >Are there people who really did this?  Incredible!  The dollar is medium of >exchange in the US, and only in the US (except for one or two minor >countries in, I believe, the south Pacific, who have adopted the dollar as >their currency). > wrong, the USD is the official currency of Panama, Peru, and is a de > facto currency throughout the caribbean, in addition many countries > peg their currencies to the USD

Did you actually read what I wrote?  Thought not, or you wouldn’t have written what you did about Panama and Peru. Whether or not a country "pegs" its currency to the dollar is irrelevant. The dollar is not accepted in most other countries, and is definitely not accepted in Italy, which is what this thread is about. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – - > Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included, > reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address.

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>> Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the > USA > did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money    The > US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!! > Are there people who really did this?  Incredible!  The dollar is medium of > exchange in the US, and only in the US (except for one or two minor > countries in, I believe, the south Pacific, who have adopted the dollar as > their currency).

And a number of places in the Caribbean it is either the official currency (British Virgin Islands, believe it or not) or a de facto currency, as it is accepted everywhere pretty much.  Same is true in many Mexican resorts. Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice > > airport > > > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of > > water > > > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage. > > Basic rule for water taxis in Venice: If you have to ask how much it > > costs, you can not afford it. > > There is a water bus (as opposed to water taxi) that takes you to > > Venice from the airport for something like 10 euro. The Card Blue and > > Card Orange covers this route also as well as giving you access to > > public transportation and restrooms (Orange gives you free access to > > most museums, also). > > As a pure guess, I would expect the water taxi to be >100 euro (no one > > understands the fare scheme, but it includes, time, distance, number > > of pieces of luggage, the score of the most recent football (soccer) > > match, etc.) > > Paul

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Whether or not a country "pegs" its currency to the dollar is irrelevant. > >The dollar is not accepted in most other countries, and is definitely not > >accepted in Italy, which is what this thread is about. > Normally when a country ‘pegs’ its currency to the US$, that means > that the US$ is accepted as currency, although you will probably get > change in the local currency. > Many places in the Caribbean (like Barbados), Belize (central > America), Cozumel (Mexico) and Bermuda and the Bahamas (which are in > the Atlantic and NOT in the Caribbean) accept US$s  Belize, and > Barbados peg their currency to the US$, and the Bahamas and Bermuda > have their currency pegged to the US$ at one to one, so there’s no > exchange rate to worry about. >Yes, so?  That’s non-responsive to anything that I wrote, which was, in >essence, except for those countries which have specifically designated the >US dollar as their official currency, the US dollar is _not_ universally >accepted and it is arrogant to think otherwise. > If people do most of their traveling via cruise ship, they are far > more likely to visit places that take the US$ as currency then places > that do not. >Not if they travel by cruise ship in Europe, which is what this thread is >about.

I had the impression that this was a cruising newsgroup and I also had the impression that European cruises were a minority in the total.  So I was giving a reason why someone might have been clueless about foreign currency and might have thought that US$ would be accepted. I have heard a story (which may or may not be apocryphal) that a cruiser went to an ATM in Cozumel and was highly indignant that he got pesos out of it instead of dollars. > We did arrive in San Jose Costa Rica and had to exchange > money on the street outside the airport (at a terrible rate) because > the money exchange window was closed (Sunday afternoon), and we needed > colones to get a taxi.

grandma Rosalie

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Thanks for all the responses. On the subject of euros (or any other foreign currency), I always find an ATM at the airport when I arrive and get a supply of the local currency.  That’s the most efficient and least expensive way to get foreign currency.  I don’t see the need to get it at home before we leave.  The exchange rate must be atrocious.

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> On the subject of euros (or any other foreign currency), I always find > an ATM at the airport when I arrive and get a supply of the local > currency.  That’s the most efficient and least expensive way to get > foreign currency.  I don’t see the need to get it at home before we > leave.  The exchange rate must be atrocious.

I’m a great believer in ATMs for foreign currency.  It’s almost alwasy the best rate, and it is terribly convenient. Let me tell you a story, though.  In 2000 my daughter went to Europe with the girl scouts.  Halfway through the trip she got suddenly seriously ill (appendicitis) and I had to go to Europe to be with her.  I flew to Munich, where Catherine was.   Upon arriving at Munich I went immediately to an ATM.  It did not work.  I went to another one.  It did not work.  Fortunately I had a small amount of DM traveler’s checks (why doesn’t matter: I never carry travelers checks any more) and was able to cash one at American Express and be on my way.  By the evening when I tried to use an ATM I was fine, and I had no problem the rest of the trip.   Later that evening I pulled out my dictionary and translated the message I was getting.  The ATM Network was unavailable. Now I am sure the network being down is rare, but it can happen and you can therefore get stuck.  I always take aobut $50 US worth of a currency with me when I travel, even if I have to pay a big fee to do it, just in case. Once there I assume I will be fine, but I want to be able to get reliably out of the airport! Julie — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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> Thanks for all the responses. > On the subject of euros (or any other foreign currency), I always find > an ATM at the airport when I arrive and get a supply of the local > currency.  That’s the most efficient and least expensive way to get > foreign currency.  I don’t see the need to get it at home before we > leave.  The exchange rate must be atrocious.

That is normally true, Bob, but there is no ATM in the Venice airport~~I asked at the information desk and one of the airport personnel in the baggage area..and they said there was none only in the city and referred me to the booth that gave me such a poor exchange plus a 12% charge for doing it! –Jean

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Thanks for all the responses. >On the subject of euros (or any other foreign currency), I always find >an ATM at the airport when I arrive and get a supply of the local >currency.  That’s the most efficient and least expensive way to get >foreign currency.  I don’t see the need to get it at home before we >leave.  The exchange rate must be atrocious. > That is normally true, Bob, but there is no ATM in the Venice airport~~I > asked at the information desk and one of the airport personnel in the > baggage area..and they said there was none only in the city and referred me > to the booth that gave me such a poor exchange plus a 12% charge for doing > it!

I had the same problem five years ago, Jean. Howie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >> Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the USA >> >> did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money The >> >> US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!! >> >Are there people who really did this?  Incredible!  The dollar is medium of >> >exchange in the US, and only in the US (except for one or two minor >> >countries in, I believe, the south Pacific, who have adopted the dollar as >> >their currency). >> wrong, the USD is the official currency of Panama, Peru, and is a de >> facto currency throughout the caribbean, in addition many countries >> peg their currencies to the USD >Did you actually read what I wrote?  Thought not, or you wouldn’t have >written what you did about Panama and Peru. > So are you saying that you consider Panama and Peru to be "one or two > minor countries in the South Pacific"?

No.  I’m saying that there are countries for which the US dollar is the designated currency, and these countries are few and far between. > I guess you were thinking of places like Wake Island, Midway, > Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Guam, East Timor, American Samoa, > and the northern Mariana Islands.

You’ve apparently taken the time to look it up.  That’s nice. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> But other places not in the south Pacific that use the USD (in > addition to Panama) are the BVI, Ecuador and the Turks and Cacaos. > Peru does not use the US$ AFAIK.  Also of course Puerto Rico and the > USVI. >Whether or not a country "pegs" its currency to the dollar is irrelevant. >The dollar is not accepted in most other countries, and is definitely not >accepted in Italy, which is what this thread is about. > Normally when a country ‘pegs’ its currency to the US$, that means > that the US$ is accepted as currency, although you will probably get > change in the local currency. > Many places in the Caribbean (like Barbados), Belize (central > America), Cozumel (Mexico) and Bermuda and the Bahamas (which are in > the Atlantic and NOT in the Caribbean) accept US$s  Belize, and > Barbados peg their currency to the US$, and the Bahamas and Bermuda > have their currency pegged to the US$ at one to one, so there’s no > exchange rate to worry about.

Yes, so?  That’s non-responsive to anything that I wrote, which was, in essence, except for those countries which have specifically designated the US dollar as their official currency, the US dollar is _not_ universally accepted and it is arrogant to think otherwise. > If people do most of their traveling via cruise ship, they are far > more likely to visit places that take the US$ as currency then places > that do not.

Not if they travel by cruise ship in Europe, which is what this thread is about. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We did arrive in San Jose Costa Rica and had to exchange > money on the street outside the airport (at a terrible rate) because > the money exchange window was closed (Sunday afternoon), and we needed > colones to get a taxi. > grandma Rosalie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the USA > >> did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money  The > >> US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!! > >Are there people who really did this?  Incredible!  The dollar is medium of > >exchange in the US, and only in the US (except for one or two minor > >countries in, I believe, the south Pacific, who have adopted the dollar as > >their currency). > wrong, the USD is the official currency of Panama, Peru, and is a de > facto currency throughout the caribbean, in addition many countries > peg their currencies to the USD >Did you actually read what I wrote?  Thought not, or you wouldn’t have >written what you did about Panama and Peru.

So are you saying that you consider Panama and Peru to be "one or two minor countries in the South Pacific"?   I guess you were thinking of places like Wake Island, Midway, Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Guam, East Timor, American Samoa, and the northern Mariana Islands. But other places not in the south Pacific that use the USD (in addition to Panama) are the BVI, Ecuador and the Turks and Cacaos. Peru does not use the US$ AFAIK.  Also of course Puerto Rico and the USVI. >Whether or not a country "pegs" its currency to the dollar is irrelevant. >The dollar is not accepted in most other countries, and is definitely not >accepted in Italy, which is what this thread is about.

Normally when a country ‘pegs’ its currency to the US$, that means that the US$ is accepted as currency, although you will probably get change in the local currency.   Many places in the Caribbean (like Barbados), Belize (central America), Cozumel (Mexico) and Bermuda and the Bahamas (which are in the Atlantic and NOT in the Caribbean) accept US$s  Belize, and Barbados peg their currency to the US$, and the Bahamas and Bermuda have their currency pegged to the US$ at one to one, so there’s no exchange rate to worry about. If people do most of their traveling via cruise ship, they are far more likely to visit places that take the US$ as currency then places that do not.  We did arrive in San Jose Costa Rica and had to exchange money on the street outside the airport (at a terrible rate) because the money exchange window was closed (Sunday afternoon), and we needed colones to get a taxi. grandma Rosalie

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Just to ballpark it ….. Plan for ar least $70.00 USD or more depending on how much luggage and tips …. Enjoy your stay in Venice !! Cal Ford Lido Deck Cruises Edwards says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport >to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water >taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

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> How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

Basic rule for water taxis in Venice: If you have to ask how much it costs, you can not afford it. There is a water bus (as opposed to water taxi) that takes you to Venice from the airport for something like 10 euro. The Card Blue and Card Orange covers this route also as well as giving you access to public transportation and restrooms (Orange gives you free access to most museums, also). As a pure guess, I would expect the water taxi to be >100 euro (no one understands the fare scheme, but it includes, time, distance, number of pieces of luggage, the score of the most recent football (soccer) match, etc.) Paul

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Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the USA did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money    The US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice > airport > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of > water > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage. > Basic rule for water taxis in Venice: If you have to ask how much it > costs, you can not afford it. > There is a water bus (as opposed to water taxi) that takes you to > Venice from the airport for something like 10 euro. The Card Blue and > Card Orange covers this route also as well as giving you access to > public transportation and restrooms (Orange gives you free access to > most museums, also). > As a pure guess, I would expect the water taxi to be >100 euro (no one > understands the fare scheme, but it includes, time, distance, number > of pieces of luggage, the score of the most recent football (soccer) > match, etc.) > Paul

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> Just to ballpark it ….. Plan for ar least $70.00 USD or more depending on how > much luggage and tips …. Enjoy your stay in Venice !!

That’s exactly what it cost when I was there five years ago. Howie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cal Ford > Lido Deck Cruises > Edwards says… >How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport >to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water >taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

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> How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

Check with your hotel first as many of them have their  own water taxis that  will meet you. The hotel taxis would certainly be  large enough to handle yours and Libby’s luggage. What hotel are you staying at? I urge you to have a meal one lunch time at the Hotel Monaco on the grand Canal. Leon

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>Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the >USA did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money     >The US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!!

Yet?   Let’s hope NEVER.   :-)   Frankly, I thought it was fun to have to use different currencies every time I crossed the border in Europe, and I crossed a lot of borders.   It was a challenge to remember some of the more unusual exchange rates, like the Italian Lira and the Austrian Schilling, and to have to sometimes convert them in my head on the spot, but I enjoyed doing it.  For me, it added to the experience of being in a new land.  It was exciting.   I’m not thrilled with the Euro or the homogenization of Europe, and am glad I traveled there as a vagabond at a young age and had a more unique experience than many now do.   But the Euro is the currency that is there now.  It is at least "European." I would  prefer it if European countries don’t start accepting our currency. (OK, maybe directly at cruise docks, to satisfy that certain type of cruiser who is not a traveler and only goes ashore to replenish cabin beverage supplies, like some of the world cruise reports I’ve read where very fortunate people cruise to wonderfully exotic places yet often don’t get off the ship at all.)

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> How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

Water taxis are large enough to handle virtually any amount of luggage. They are also extremely expensive.  The price is generally negotiable, but expect it to be in the $75-100 range. Vaparettos are water busses and are a much more efficient way to get around Venice.  I’m virtually certain there is a vaparetto which will take you from the airport to the Piazza San Marco area.  From there you can get vaparetti to just about anywhere else in Venice. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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> Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the USA > did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money    The > US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!!

Are there people who really did this?  Incredible!  The dollar is medium of exchange in the US, and only in the US (except for one or two minor countries in, I believe, the south Pacific, who have adopted the dollar as their currency). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice > airport > > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of > water > > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage. > Basic rule for water taxis in Venice: If you have to ask how much it > costs, you can not afford it. > There is a water bus (as opposed to water taxi) that takes you to > Venice from the airport for something like 10 euro. The Card Blue and > Card Orange covers this route also as well as giving you access to > public transportation and restrooms (Orange gives you free access to > most museums, also). > As a pure guess, I would expect the water taxi to be >100 euro (no one > understands the fare scheme, but it includes, time, distance, number > of pieces of luggage, the score of the most recent football (soccer) > match, etc.) > Paul

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>Vaparettos are water busses and are a much more efficient way to get around >Venice.  I’m virtually certain there is a vaparetto which will take you from >the airport to the Piazza San Marco area.  From there you can get vaparetti >to just about anywhere else in Venice.

Hi Everyone, I do not think there is a vaporetto (water bus) that will take you from the airport to Venice.  I hope someone will correct me if I am wrong.  You can take one to the bus station and then catch a bus to the airport.  I have used a Vaporetto but only had enough luggage that I could roll and carry.  It would be awkward if you had more than this to use this often crowded boat.  The best web site that I have found on Venice and the transportation system is Durant Imoden’s: veniceforvisitors.com Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Vaparettos are water busses and are a much more efficient way to get around >Venice.  I’m virtually certain there is a vaparetto which will take you from >the airport to the Piazza San Marco area.  From there you can get vaparetti >to just about anywhere else in Venice. > Hi Everyone, > I do not think there is a vaporetto (water bus) that will take you > from the airport to Venice.  I hope someone will correct me if I am > wrong.  You can take one to the bus station and then catch a bus to > the airport.  I have used a Vaporetto but only had enough luggage that > I could roll and carry.  It would be awkward if you had more than this > to use this often crowded boat.  The best web site that I have found > on Venice and the transportation system is Durant Imoden’s: > veniceforvisitors.com

There is a specail airport boat that will take you to Piazza San Marco and back at a fare that is much less than the water taxi.  I took this with Eileen and I believe the fare was around $10-12 per person. Howie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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Hi Everyone, Let me correct my earlier post.  There is a  vaporetto (water bus) that will take you from the airport to Venice.  I recall that it was a very slow way to travel which is why I used the combination vaporetto and bus.  I am sorry for any confusion that I may have caused. Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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> How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

We paid 90E for Londra Palace (right off St. Mark’s) to the airport this June, so you’re looking at over $100. BTW, also for 90E, we hired a water taxi w/ English speaking driver to give us an hour plus tour of the Grand Canal & then return thru open water & back thru all kinds of teeny little canals in the less touristed area of Venice.  If course, it depends on your driver, but we stood up front with him as he pointed out all the houses on the GC, gave us history & answered our questions about what it’s like to live there – absolutely the best tour we did in 14 days!  Really worth the $$.

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> How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

P.S.  We had a ton of luggage too, just having come off a 10 night Silversea cruise!  At the taxi drop at the airport, very organized system of porters to get you & your luggage to the airport check-in – I was very impressed!  You only tip the last one.  All we had to do from our hotel room to the check-in counter was lift our bags onto the weighing platform at check-in – didn’t touch them at all otherwise.

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How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

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How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

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Just to ballpark it ….. Plan for ar least $70.00 USD or more depending on how much luggage and tips …. Enjoy your stay in Venice !! Cal Ford Lido Deck Cruises Edwards says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport >to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water >taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

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> How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

Basic rule for water taxis in Venice: If you have to ask how much it costs, you can not afford it. There is a water bus (as opposed to water taxi) that takes you to Venice from the airport for something like 10 euro. The Card Blue and Card Orange covers this route also as well as giving you access to public transportation and restrooms (Orange gives you free access to most museums, also). As a pure guess, I would expect the water taxi to be >100 euro (no one understands the fare scheme, but it includes, time, distance, number of pieces of luggage, the score of the most recent football (soccer) match, etc.) Paul

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Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the USA did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money    The US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice > airport > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of > water > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage. > Basic rule for water taxis in Venice: If you have to ask how much it > costs, you can not afford it. > There is a water bus (as opposed to water taxi) that takes you to > Venice from the airport for something like 10 euro. The Card Blue and > Card Orange covers this route also as well as giving you access to > public transportation and restrooms (Orange gives you free access to > most museums, also). > As a pure guess, I would expect the water taxi to be >100 euro (no one > understands the fare scheme, but it includes, time, distance, number > of pieces of luggage, the score of the most recent football (soccer) > match, etc.) > Paul

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> Just to ballpark it ….. Plan for ar least $70.00 USD or more depending on how > much luggage and tips …. Enjoy your stay in Venice !!

That’s exactly what it cost when I was there five years ago. Howie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cal Ford > Lido Deck Cruises > Edwards says… >How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport >to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water >taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

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> How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

Check with your hotel first as many of them have their  own water taxis that  will meet you. The hotel taxis would certainly be  large enough to handle yours and Libby’s luggage. What hotel are you staying at? I urge you to have a meal one lunch time at the Hotel Monaco on the grand Canal. Leon

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>Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the >USA did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money     >The US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!!

Yet?   Let’s hope NEVER.   :-)   Frankly, I thought it was fun to have to use different currencies every time I crossed the border in Europe, and I crossed a lot of borders.   It was a challenge to remember some of the more unusual exchange rates, like the Italian Lira and the Austrian Schilling, and to have to sometimes convert them in my head on the spot, but I enjoyed doing it.  For me, it added to the experience of being in a new land.  It was exciting.   I’m not thrilled with the Euro or the homogenization of Europe, and am glad I traveled there as a vagabond at a young age and had a more unique experience than many now do.   But the Euro is the currency that is there now.  It is at least "European." I would  prefer it if European countries don’t start accepting our currency. (OK, maybe directly at cruise docks, to satisfy that certain type of cruiser who is not a traveler and only goes ashore to replenish cabin beverage supplies, like some of the world cruise reports I’ve read where very fortunate people cruise to wonderfully exotic places yet often don’t get off the ship at all.)

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> How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

Water taxis are large enough to handle virtually any amount of luggage. They are also extremely expensive.  The price is generally negotiable, but expect it to be in the $75-100 range. Vaparettos are water busses and are a much more efficient way to get around Venice.  I’m virtually certain there is a vaparetto which will take you from the airport to the Piazza San Marco area.  From there you can get vaparetti to just about anywhere else in Venice. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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> Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the USA > did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money    The > US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!!

Are there people who really did this?  Incredible!  The dollar is medium of exchange in the US, and only in the US (except for one or two minor countries in, I believe, the south Pacific, who have adopted the dollar as their currency). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice > airport > > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of > water > > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage. > Basic rule for water taxis in Venice: If you have to ask how much it > costs, you can not afford it. > There is a water bus (as opposed to water taxi) that takes you to > Venice from the airport for something like 10 euro. The Card Blue and > Card Orange covers this route also as well as giving you access to > public transportation and restrooms (Orange gives you free access to > most museums, also). > As a pure guess, I would expect the water taxi to be >100 euro (no one > understands the fare scheme, but it includes, time, distance, number > of pieces of luggage, the score of the most recent football (soccer) > match, etc.) > Paul

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>Vaparettos are water busses and are a much more efficient way to get around >Venice.  I’m virtually certain there is a vaparetto which will take you from >the airport to the Piazza San Marco area.  From there you can get vaparetti >to just about anywhere else in Venice.

Hi Everyone, I do not think there is a vaporetto (water bus) that will take you from the airport to Venice.  I hope someone will correct me if I am wrong.  You can take one to the bus station and then catch a bus to the airport.  I have used a Vaporetto but only had enough luggage that I could roll and carry.  It would be awkward if you had more than this to use this often crowded boat.  The best web site that I have found on Venice and the transportation system is Durant Imoden’s: veniceforvisitors.com Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Vaparettos are water busses and are a much more efficient way to get around >Venice.  I’m virtually certain there is a vaparetto which will take you from >the airport to the Piazza San Marco area.  From there you can get vaparetti >to just about anywhere else in Venice. > Hi Everyone, > I do not think there is a vaporetto (water bus) that will take you > from the airport to Venice.  I hope someone will correct me if I am > wrong.  You can take one to the bus station and then catch a bus to > the airport.  I have used a Vaporetto but only had enough luggage that > I could roll and carry.  It would be awkward if you had more than this > to use this often crowded boat.  The best web site that I have found > on Venice and the transportation system is Durant Imoden’s: > veniceforvisitors.com

There is a specail airport boat that will take you to Piazza San Marco and back at a fare that is much less than the water taxi.  I took this with Eileen and I believe the fare was around $10-12 per person. Howie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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Hi Everyone, Let me correct my earlier post.  There is a  vaporetto (water bus) that will take you from the airport to Venice.  I recall that it was a very slow way to travel which is why I used the combination vaporetto and bus.  I am sorry for any confusion that I may have caused. Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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> How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

We paid 90E for Londra Palace (right off St. Mark’s) to the airport this June, so you’re looking at over $100. BTW, also for 90E, we hired a water taxi w/ English speaking driver to give us an hour plus tour of the Grand Canal & then return thru open water & back thru all kinds of teeny little canals in the less touristed area of Venice.  If course, it depends on your driver, but we stood up front with him as he pointed out all the houses on the GC, gave us history & answered our questions about what it’s like to live there – absolutely the best tour we did in 14 days!  Really worth the $$.

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> How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice airport > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of water > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage.

P.S.  We had a ton of luggage too, just having come off a 10 night Silversea cruise!  At the taxi drop at the airport, very organized system of porters to get you & your luggage to the airport check-in – I was very impressed!  You only tip the last one.  All we had to do from our hotel room to the check-in counter was lift our bags onto the weighing platform at check-in – didn’t touch them at all otherwise.

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> Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the USA > did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money    The > US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!!

And DO NOT change US dollars into Euros at the airport change booth~~the exchange charge is awful. For $50. I got $31.50 in euro. Then we went out to get the bus to Piazzale Roma and found they had a coin exchange machine there for the ATVO bus which cost us 3 euro each.. Less than a block from our hotel was an ATM machine that we used from then on… Try to get some euros from a bank before you leave and then use your ATM card wherever you see an ATM, as you will get the best exchange rate there for that day. –Jean

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Ray: When in Venice, one is not suppose to rush.  Silly American <grin> Besides, sir, I already posted here that there was a water bus from the airport. Now, Ray, I might not know anything about cruising but   1) I do know Europe   2) I usually win the trivia contests when I do cruise. <double grin> Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone, > Let me correct my earlier post.  There is a  vaporetto (water bus) > that will take you from the airport to Venice.  I recall that it was a > very slow way to travel which is why I used the combination vaporetto > and bus.  I am sorry for any confusion that I may have caused. > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the >USA >> did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money The >> US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!! >Are there people who really did this?  Incredible!  The dollar is medium of >exchange in the US, and only in the US (except for one or two minor >countries in, I believe, the south Pacific, who have adopted the dollar as >their currency). > wrong, the USD is the official currency of Panama, Peru, and is a de > facto currency throughout the caribbean, in addition many countries > peg their currencies to the USD

Did you actually read what I wrote?  Thought not, or you wouldn’t have written what you did about Panama and Peru. Whether or not a country "pegs" its currency to the dollar is irrelevant. The dollar is not accepted in most other countries, and is definitely not accepted in Italy, which is what this thread is about. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – - > Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included, > reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address.

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>> Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the > USA > did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money    The > US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!! > Are there people who really did this?  Incredible!  The dollar is medium of > exchange in the US, and only in the US (except for one or two minor > countries in, I believe, the south Pacific, who have adopted the dollar as > their currency).

And a number of places in the Caribbean it is either the official currency (British Virgin Islands, believe it or not) or a de facto currency, as it is accepted everywhere pretty much.  Same is true in many Mexican resorts. Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > How much should I expect to pay for a water taxi from the Venice > > airport > > > to a hotel near St. Marks Square?  Are there different sizes of > > water > > > taxi?  We (my SO) will have a lot of luggage. > > Basic rule for water taxis in Venice: If you have to ask how much it > > costs, you can not afford it. > > There is a water bus (as opposed to water taxi) that takes you to > > Venice from the airport for something like 10 euro. The Card Blue and > > Card Orange covers this route also as well as giving you access to > > public transportation and restrooms (Orange gives you free access to > > most museums, also). > > As a pure guess, I would expect the water taxi to be >100 euro (no one > > understands the fare scheme, but it includes, time, distance, number > > of pieces of luggage, the score of the most recent football (soccer) > > match, etc.) > > Paul

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the USA > >> did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money  The > >> US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!! > >Are there people who really did this?  Incredible!  The dollar is medium of > >exchange in the US, and only in the US (except for one or two minor > >countries in, I believe, the south Pacific, who have adopted the dollar as > >their currency). > wrong, the USD is the official currency of Panama, Peru, and is a de > facto currency throughout the caribbean, in addition many countries > peg their currencies to the USD >Did you actually read what I wrote?  Thought not, or you wouldn’t have >written what you did about Panama and Peru.

So are you saying that you consider Panama and Peru to be "one or two minor countries in the South Pacific"?   I guess you were thinking of places like Wake Island, Midway, Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Guam, East Timor, American Samoa, and the northern Mariana Islands. But other places not in the south Pacific that use the USD (in addition to Panama) are the BVI, Ecuador and the Turks and Cacaos. Peru does not use the US$ AFAIK.  Also of course Puerto Rico and the USVI. >Whether or not a country "pegs" its currency to the dollar is irrelevant. >The dollar is not accepted in most other countries, and is definitely not >accepted in Italy, which is what this thread is about.

Normally when a country ‘pegs’ its currency to the US$, that means that the US$ is accepted as currency, although you will probably get change in the local currency.   Many places in the Caribbean (like Barbados), Belize (central America), Cozumel (Mexico) and Bermuda and the Bahamas (which are in the Atlantic and NOT in the Caribbean) accept US$s  Belize, and Barbados peg their currency to the US$, and the Bahamas and Bermuda have their currency pegged to the US$ at one to one, so there’s no exchange rate to worry about. If people do most of their traveling via cruise ship, they are far more likely to visit places that take the US$ as currency then places that do not.  We did arrive in San Jose Costa Rica and had to exchange money on the street outside the airport (at a terrible rate) because the money exchange window was closed (Sunday afternoon), and we needed colones to get a taxi. grandma Rosalie

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Thanks for all the responses. On the subject of euros (or any other foreign currency), I always find an ATM at the airport when I arrive and get a supply of the local currency.  That’s the most efficient and least expensive way to get foreign currency.  I don’t see the need to get it at home before we leave.  The exchange rate must be atrocious.

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> On the subject of euros (or any other foreign currency), I always find > an ATM at the airport when I arrive and get a supply of the local > currency.  That’s the most efficient and least expensive way to get > foreign currency.  I don’t see the need to get it at home before we > leave.  The exchange rate must be atrocious.

I’m a great believer in ATMs for foreign currency.  It’s almost alwasy the best rate, and it is terribly convenient. Let me tell you a story, though.  In 2000 my daughter went to Europe with the girl scouts.  Halfway through the trip she got suddenly seriously ill (appendicitis) and I had to go to Europe to be with her.  I flew to Munich, where Catherine was.   Upon arriving at Munich I went immediately to an ATM.  It did not work.  I went to another one.  It did not work.  Fortunately I had a small amount of DM traveler’s checks (why doesn’t matter: I never carry travelers checks any more) and was able to cash one at American Express and be on my way.  By the evening when I tried to use an ATM I was fine, and I had no problem the rest of the trip.   Later that evening I pulled out my dictionary and translated the message I was getting.  The ATM Network was unavailable. Now I am sure the network being down is rare, but it can happen and you can therefore get stuck.  I always take aobut $50 US worth of a currency with me when I travel, even if I have to pay a big fee to do it, just in case. Once there I assume I will be fine, but I want to be able to get reliably out of the airport! Julie — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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> Thanks for all the responses. > On the subject of euros (or any other foreign currency), I always find > an ATM at the airport when I arrive and get a supply of the local > currency.  That’s the most efficient and least expensive way to get > foreign currency.  I don’t see the need to get it at home before we > leave.  The exchange rate must be atrocious.

That is normally true, Bob, but there is no ATM in the Venice airport~~I asked at the information desk and one of the airport personnel in the baggage area..and they said there was none only in the city and referred me to the booth that gave me such a poor exchange plus a 12% charge for doing it! –Jean

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Thanks for all the responses. >On the subject of euros (or any other foreign currency), I always find >an ATM at the airport when I arrive and get a supply of the local >currency.  That’s the most efficient and least expensive way to get >foreign currency.  I don’t see the need to get it at home before we >leave.  The exchange rate must be atrocious. > That is normally true, Bob, but there is no ATM in the Venice airport~~I > asked at the information desk and one of the airport personnel in the > baggage area..and they said there was none only in the city and referred me > to the booth that gave me such a poor exchange plus a 12% charge for doing > it!

I had the same problem five years ago, Jean. Howie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >> Make sure you have Euro Currency!  Last time I was there people from the USA >> >> did not and had to go back to the exchange desks to get local money The >> >> US dollar does not work everywhere yet!!!! >> >Are there people who really did this?  Incredible!  The dollar is medium of >> >exchange in the US, and only in the US (except for one or two minor >> >countries in, I believe, the south Pacific, who have adopted the dollar as >> >their currency). >> wrong, the USD is the official currency of Panama, Peru, and is a de >> facto currency throughout the caribbean, in addition many countries >> peg their currencies to the USD >Did you actually read what I wrote?  Thought not, or you wouldn’t have >written what you did about Panama and Peru. > So are you saying that you consider Panama and Peru to be "one or two > minor countries in the South Pacific"?

No.  I’m saying that there are countries for which the US dollar is the designated currency, and these countries are few and far between. > I guess you were thinking of places like Wake Island, Midway, > Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Guam, East Timor, American Samoa, > and the northern Mariana Islands.

You’ve apparently taken the time to look it up.  That’s nice. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> But other places not in the south Pacific that use the USD (in > addition to Panama) are the BVI, Ecuador and the Turks and Cacaos. > Peru does not use the US$ AFAIK.  Also of course Puerto Rico and the > USVI. >Whether or not a country "pegs" its currency to the dollar is irrelevant. >The dollar is not accepted in most other countries, and is definitely not >accepted in Italy, which is what this thread is about. > Normally when a country ‘pegs’ its currency to the US$, that means > that the US$ is accepted as currency, although you will probably get > change in the local currency. > Many places in the Caribbean (like Barbados), Belize (central > America), Cozumel (Mexico) and Bermuda and the Bahamas (which are in > the Atlantic and NOT in the Caribbean) accept US$s  Belize, and > Barbados peg their currency to the US$, and the Bahamas and Bermuda > have their currency pegged to the US$ at one to one, so there’s no > exchange rate to worry about.

Yes, so?  That’s non-responsive to anything that I wrote, which was, in essence, except for those countries which have specifically designated the US dollar as their official currency, the US dollar is _not_ universally accepted and it is arrogant to think otherwise. > If people do most of their traveling via cruise ship, they are far > more likely to visit places that take the US$ as currency then places > that do not.

Not if they travel by cruise ship in Europe, which is what this thread is about. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We did arrive in San Jose Costa Rica and had to exchange > money on the street outside the airport (at a terrible rate) because > the money exchange window was closed (Sunday afternoon), and we needed > colones to get a taxi. > grandma Rosalie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Whether or not a country "pegs" its currency to the dollar is irrelevant. > >The dollar is not accepted in most other countries, and is definitely not > >accepted in Italy, which is what this thread is about. > Normally when a country ‘pegs’ its currency to the US$, that means > that the US$ is accepted as currency, although you will probably get > change in the local currency. > Many places in the Caribbean (like Barbados), Belize (central > America), Cozumel (Mexico) and Bermuda and the Bahamas (which are in > the Atlantic and NOT in the Caribbean) accept US$s  Belize, and > Barbados peg their currency to the US$, and the Bahamas and Bermuda > have their currency pegged to the US$ at one to one, so there’s no > exchange rate to worry about. >Yes, so?  That’s non-responsive to anything that I wrote, which was, in >essence, except for those countries which have specifically designated the >US dollar as their official currency, the US dollar is _not_ universally >accepted and it is arrogant to think otherwise. > If people do most of their traveling via cruise ship, they are far > more likely to visit places that take the US$ as currency then places > that do not. >Not if they travel by cruise ship in Europe, which is what this thread is >about.

I had the impression that this was a cruising newsgroup and I also had the impression that European cruises were a minority in the total.  So I was giving a reason why someone might have been clueless about foreign currency and might have thought that US$ would be accepted. I have heard a story (which may or may not be apocryphal) that a cruiser went to an ATM in Cozumel and was highly indignant that he got pesos out of it instead of dollars. > We did arrive in San Jose Costa Rica and had to exchange > money on the street outside the airport (at a terrible rate) because > the money exchange window was closed (Sunday afternoon), and we needed > colones to get a taxi.

grandma Rosalie

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Carnival Corp 7 Ships in 7 Months!

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Hi Everyone, I received this press release from the Carnival Corporation and thought it would be of interest.  If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are available on my web site.   Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com Carnival Corporation & plc Caps Historic Newbuilding Period With Seven Ships in Seven Months MIAMI, June 9 With the naming of Princess Cruises’ new 2,674-passenger Sapphire Princess in Seattle tomorrow, June 10, 2004, Carnival Corporation & plc (NYSE: CCL; LSE) (NYSE: CUK) will complete an unprecedented period in which the company introduced seven ships in less than seven months. The marathon new ship parade began when the company’s Italian brand, Costa Cruises, introduced the 2,720-passenger Costa Fortuna from its new cruise terminal in Savona, Italy, in late November 2003. Since then, Carnival has launched six more ships. In January 2004, Cunard Line introduced the widely acclaimed 151,000-ton Queen Mary 2, the largest passenger vessel ever constructed. Carnival Cruise Lines launched the 2,124- passenger Carnival Miracle in February, followed by Princess Cruises’ 2,674- passenger Diamond Princess in March. Princess Cruises’ 3,114-passenger Caribbean Princess and Holland America Line’s 1,848-passenger Westerdam entered service in April. Finally, the Sapphire Princess will sail on its inaugural voyage June 13, 2004. Together, these ships represent nearly 18,000 total lower berths. This record new ship introduction schedule, at a rate of approximately one ship a month, was brought about by last year’s merger by Carnival with P&O Princess Cruises to create Carnival Corporation & plc, the only group in the world to be included in both the S&P 500 and the FTSE 100 indices. "The new ship schedule is certainly unprecedented in our company and, I believe, in the history of the cruise industry, as well," said Micky Arison, Carnival Corporation & plc chairman and CEO. "Despite the torrid pace, all seven ship deliveries and start-ups were extremely smooth, with all of these ships enjoying great success in their respective markets," he added. While Carnival will now have a short lull in its new ship introductions, it is not finished for the year. Still to come are Costa’s 2,702-passenger Costa Magica in November and Carnival Cruise Lines’ 2,974-passenger Carnival Valor in December. Carnival Corporation & plc is the largest cruise vacation group in the world, with a portfolio of 12 cruise brands in North America, Europe and Australia, comprised of Carnival Cruise Lines, Holland America Line, Princess Cruises, Seabourn Cruise Line, Windstar Cruises, AIDA, Costa Cruises, Cunard Line, Ocean Village, P&O Cruises, Swan Hellenic, and P&O Cruises Australia. Together, these brands operate 77 ships totaling more than 128,000 lower berths with eight new ships scheduled for delivery between November 2004 and December 2006. Carnival Corporation & plc also operates the leading tour companies in Alaska and the Canadian Yukon, Holland America Tours and Princess Tours. Traded on both the New York and London Stock Exchanges, Carnival Corporation & plc is the only group in the world to be included in both the S&P 500 and the FTSE 100 indices.

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> With the naming of Princess Cruises’ new 2,674-passenger Sapphire > Princess in Seattle tomorrow, June 10, 2004, Carnival Corporation & > plc (NYSE: CCL; LSE) (NYSE: CUK) will complete an unprecedented period > in which the company introduced seven ships in less than seven months.

Keep those big new ships a commin; it keeps those prices down. Howie

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>Keep those big new ships a commin; it keeps those prices down

I have to say that I disagree very strongly with the above statement, not with the truth of it, because it is true

1/2 trip report – DFW-CLT-IAD (US)-LHR (VS)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > trolled: >>>    Virgin still provides complementary headsets and also free >>>    booze, unlike >>the U.S. carriers. >What US carrier doesn’t offer free headsets on transatlantic flights? > Asshole International, your airline.

Thank you for your support. I loved the flowers… I have no idea what the goal is behind posting personal information other than some right you believe you have to censor people by threatening them into submission.  For some reason, you feel that my posts are inappropriate, yet you feel that your posts are a big contibution to Usenet and mankind.  If you feel you have a valid complaint, I am sure the appropriate people would address it, if you do so un-anonymously.  Additionally, my reason for posting a cell phone number was to give you the opportunity to tell me personally what the problem is so we could work it out.  You didn’t even try to do that. Now, you continued to post this telephone number as if it still belongs to me.  Finally, it looks like you no longer post that number.  You also seem to have some strange reason to post a PO Box address I opened years ago when I didn’t have a permanent residence.  I am quite sure the person that currently rents the box is happy that you are referring to it.    You also seem to think it odd that a person with teenage children would have one of them using his news account to address teenage penpal sites. Finally, despite telling you the area code for my city changed years ago, you still can’t seem to make the change to you info file. Since spam filters are in place, I am going to resume posting from a valid email address. My "from" address wasn’t to hide from people on Usenet, it was to avoid spam. Or…. do you actually think I don’t know my posting address appears in the headers, and was doing it to hide from people like you.  You don’t frighten me Max/Nomen/Whatever, I have seen many bullies in my lifetime. I understand the most common trait among them is lack of self esteem.

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> >     Virgin still provides complementary headsets and also free booze, unlike > the U.S. carriers.

What US carrier doesn’t offer free headsets on transatlantic flights?

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trolled: > >     Virgin still provides complementary headsets and also free > >     booze, unlike > the U.S. carriers. >What US carrier doesn’t offer free headsets on transatlantic flights?

Asshole International, your airline. About rogue Cisco employee and netkook/troll/usenet flooder Michael Voight, alias "mrtravel", "mrtravelkay", etc. "mrtavelkay" is the latest usenet handle of a brainless troll whose Michael D. Voight 111 Bean Creek Rd, No. 118 Scotts Valley,  CA  95066-4148 (831) 438-2485 He is better known by his previous stupid handle, "mrtravel" and is Gary Burnore’s protege.  Gary Burnore is a convicted sex offender/child molester and the biggest kook in the history of the net. The idiot works for Cisco in their Scotts Valley, California Technical Assistance Center (TAC) and apparently they don’t keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet newsgroups all day long from work. ***WARNING:  THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE’S IDENTITIES ON USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.*** If you are one of his victims, or are simply fed up with his See further below for more Cisco contact information. He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to His main hangout is alt.visa.us.marriage-based, a sleazy newsgroup where foreigners wanting to immigrate to the US hook up with losers like Voight who are willing to marry them for money so they can get their green card.  Voight is a pro at this, handing out daily advice on how to be a sleazoid like him and sell green cards. When he isn’t giving out advice on how to commit federal crimes on alt.visa.us.marriage-based he is usually on rec.travel.air flooding that newsgroup with trolls and harassing posters and picking retarded fights with the regular posters there. He also tends to post a lot in the personals and penpals newsgroups as well as the support groups for fat people, lonely folks, and for depression.  Obviously after his Russian Internet brides get their green cards they flee, leaving him lonely and desperate for company. Maybe that’s why he keeps a P.O. Box at the post office, so he can get his personals mail there: Voight, Michael P.O. Box 67016, Scotts Valley, CA 95067 (408) 461-8707 He also seems to frequent the teenage newsgroups.  Creepy….. The idiot is a two-time high school dropout and had to join the Marines because even the Army rejected him! He’s got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the intelligence to take away from him.  Lord only knows what could have happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook.  The other kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since they come and go so do the kids.  It wouldn’t hurt to let Cisco know what kind of deviant sexual pervert they have working for them. Many people have wondered how Cisco ever hired such a psycho.  It cheapens their image and credibility in the corporate world after all. Well, they didn’t hire him directly, he came as baggage when they acquired the company he used to work for, TGV Software.  His e-mail All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only two cerebral neurons together and coming up with gems like: mrtrav Some of his other trolling aliases are Network Guy, It would be a good idea to call Cisco at 1-800-553-2447 and ask to speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet on company time.  THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT. Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE.  They will LOVE that you brought this to their attention: Cisco Systems, Inc. 170 West Tasman Dr. San Jose, CA 95134 USA Then also call them.  You should always follow up email or letters with phone calls.  Always ask for supervisors or managers.  Try to get as far up as possible. (408)526-4000 (800)553-NETS or (800)553-6387 Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in investing in their company but won’t do so until they get rid of this asshole who is wasting company resources: Cisco Systems, Inc. Investor Relations Department 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 Phone: (408) 526-8890 Fax: (408) 526-4545 Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about this type of stuff: USA 1 800 553 6387 Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the headquarters address.  Believe me, they READ your complaints and are VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it’s about one of their employees.  They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE out of their company: John Morgridge, Chairman John Chambers, President, CEO Donald Valentine, Vice Chairman Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations Have fun!

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I took off for the U.S. Memorial Day weekend (and British Bank Holiday) for London. US 1046, 27 May DFW-CLT – 733     Scheduled 08:00 – 11:26; Actual:  07:53 – 11:20     Boarded at 07:30, full plane, but quickly boarded.  After departure, FA’s came around with meals for sale – $7 for breakfast – choice of fruit bowl (pineapples, kiwi, cantaloupe with a cup of raspberry yogurt and a croissant roll, or a bacon-roll,  The fruit bowl was decent.  I didn’t see anybody else buy anything. US 2212, 27 May CLT -IAD – CRJ     Scheduled: 12:15 – 13:31; Actual: 12:15-13:31     Plane was scheduled as a CR7, but downsized to a CRJ – they didn’t tell the agents, so nobody’s seat assignments matched, but with only 41 passengers booked, open seating was not a problem  For a short leg (46 minutes in the air), it was a decent flight. VS 022, 27 May, IAD – LHR – 343     Scheduled: 19:00 – 07:05+1; Actual 19:00 – 06:55+1     I’m glad I spent a few extra dollars to upgrade to Premium Economy, and would recommend it to anybody if you’re flying on VS (or BA, or EVA) for that matter.  The additional legroom and seat space was well worth it – This was my first flight with Virgin – I was surprised at the youth of the FA’s, and they were genuinely happy about their jobs – it really showed.  Food was a choice of barbeque beef (was very nice) or chicken with rice, or vegetarian pasta.  It was relatively decent for economy class.     Virgin still provides complementary headsets and also free booze, unlike the U.S. carriers.  I was pretty impressed, but the regular economy section looked pretty tight. Jeff

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Best Price?

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Just got back from the Caribbean Princess. Paid $630.00 PP Now my wife wants another cruise for my birthday. All I see is prices around $800 and up. Ft Lauderdale or Miami any cruise line May 29 or 30. Any TA’s have any deals. Hank

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> Just got back from the Caribbean Princess. Paid $630.00 PP > Now my wife wants another cruise for my birthday.

Like they say here in Jersey…   "Lemme get this straight!" Your wife wants another cruise for YOUR birthday? Shouldn’t she be wanting a cruise for HER birthday?  Or… maybe I’m thinking YOU want another cruise for your birthday. <VBG> –Tom

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>Like they say here in Jersey…   "Lemme get this straight!" >Your wife wants another cruise for YOUR birthday? >Shouldn’t she be wanting a cruise for HER birthday?  Or… maybe I’m >thinking YOU want another cruise for your birthday. ><VBG>

Hell Tom … I’d even want a cruise for YOUR birthday if I could swing it … Be seeing you In the Village Number 6

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Like they say here in Jersey…   "Lemme get this straight!" >Your wife wants another cruise for YOUR birthday? >Shouldn’t she be wanting a cruise for HER birthday?  Or… maybe I’m >thinking YOU want another cruise for your birthday. ><VBG> > Hell Tom … I’d even want a cruise for YOUR birthday if I could swing it …

Perhaps we should start an RTC Birthday Cruise Fund.  I’ve got a birthday in June, so I’d gladly be the first recipient. Howie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Like they say here in Jersey…   "Lemme get this straight!" >>Your wife wants another cruise for YOUR birthday? >>Shouldn’t she be wanting a cruise for HER birthday?  Or… maybe I’m >>thinking YOU want another cruise for your birthday. >><VBG> > Hell Tom … I’d even want a cruise for YOUR birthday if I could swing it … > Perhaps we should start an RTC Birthday Cruise Fund.  I’ve got a > birthday in June, so I’d gladly be the first recipient.

I’ve done cruises on a few birthdays.  I think we did President’s weekend once.  That’s a birthday.  And I know we did Martin Luther King weekend. I think we even did Christmas week once…. though that birthday doesn’t count for you :) –Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Like they say here in Jersey…   "Lemme get this straight!" >>>Your wife wants another cruise for YOUR birthday? >>>Shouldn’t she be wanting a cruise for HER birthday?  Or… maybe I’m >>>thinking YOU want another cruise for your birthday. >>><VBG> >>Hell Tom … I’d even want a cruise for YOUR birthday if I could swing > it … >Perhaps we should start an RTC Birthday Cruise Fund.  I’ve got a >birthday in June, so I’d gladly be the first recipient. > I’ve done cruises on a few birthdays.  I think we did President’s weekend > once.  That’s a birthday.  And I know we did Martin Luther King weekend. > I think we even did Christmas week once…. though that birthday doesn’t > count for you :) > –Tom

Done lots of birthday cruises Tom, Eileen’s and mine.  And one Christmas cruise, which counted big time, as Eileen had the week off when she worked as the webmistress at the University. Howie

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> Just got back from the Caribbean Princess. Paid $630.00 PP > Now my wife wants another cruise for my birthday. > All I see is prices around $800 and up. > Ft Lauderdale or Miami any cruise line May 29 or 30. > Any TA’s have any deals. > Hank

Try travel.webhosting-list.com

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> I’ve done cruises on a few birthdays.  I think we did President’s weekend > once.  That’s a birthday.  And I know we did Martin Luther King weekend.

Howie and I have birthdays two weeks apart.  We decided to celebrate our 50th birthdays with a cruise (this was some years ago, before cruising became a hey-who-needs-a-reason kind of thing for us).  It was only after we booked the cruise that we realized how funny it was we had chosen the Century.         Eileen

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Prices are starting to go up this time of year. Look around, you may find a good deal.  As summer holiday gets nearer for kids, prices go up, because demand goes up. Sandi All I see is prices around $800 and up. Ft Lauderdale or Miami any cruise line May 29 or 30.

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>> Perhaps we should start an RTC Birthday Cruise Fund.  I’ve got a > birthday in June, so I’d gladly be the first recipient. > I’ve done cruises on a few birthdays.  I think we did President’s weekend > once.  That’s a birthday.  And I know we did Martin Luther King weekend. > I think we even did Christmas week once…. though that birthday doesn’t > count for you :)

Our first cruise was for my husband’s birthday.  We have next MLK weekend booked.  Can I get in the pool?  Although my birthday is in April so I have an entire year to wait. Julie (No long cruises this year, leaving for Italy Thursday) — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Perhaps we should start an RTC Birthday Cruise Fund.  I’ve got a >> birthday in June, so I’d gladly be the first recipient. > I’ve done cruises on a few birthdays.  I think we did President’s weekend > once.  That’s a birthday.  And I know we did Martin Luther King weekend. > I think we even did Christmas week once…. though that birthday doesn’t > count for you :) > Our first cruise was for my husband’s birthday.  We have next MLK weekend > booked.  Can I get in the pool?  Although my birthday is in April so I > have an entire year to wait. > Julie > (No long cruises this year, leaving for Italy Thursday)

If you go to Rome… make sure you go to the glove place (Sermonetta Gloves) by the Spanish Steps.  The best gloves in the world.  Cashmere lined. –Tom

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Just got back from the Caribbean Princess. Paid $630.00 PP Now my wife wants another cruise for my birthday. All I see is prices around $800 and up. Ft Lauderdale or Miami any cruise line May 29 or 30. Any TA’s have any deals. Hank

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> Just got back from the Caribbean Princess. Paid $630.00 PP > Now my wife wants another cruise for my birthday.

Like they say here in Jersey…   "Lemme get this straight!" Your wife wants another cruise for YOUR birthday? Shouldn’t she be wanting a cruise for HER birthday?  Or… maybe I’m thinking YOU want another cruise for your birthday. <VBG> –Tom

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>Like they say here in Jersey…   "Lemme get this straight!" >Your wife wants another cruise for YOUR birthday? >Shouldn’t she be wanting a cruise for HER birthday?  Or… maybe I’m >thinking YOU want another cruise for your birthday. ><VBG>

Hell Tom … I’d even want a cruise for YOUR birthday if I could swing it … Be seeing you In the Village Number 6

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Like they say here in Jersey…   "Lemme get this straight!" >Your wife wants another cruise for YOUR birthday? >Shouldn’t she be wanting a cruise for HER birthday?  Or… maybe I’m >thinking YOU want another cruise for your birthday. ><VBG> > Hell Tom … I’d even want a cruise for YOUR birthday if I could swing it …

Perhaps we should start an RTC Birthday Cruise Fund.  I’ve got a birthday in June, so I’d gladly be the first recipient. Howie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Like they say here in Jersey…   "Lemme get this straight!" >>Your wife wants another cruise for YOUR birthday? >>Shouldn’t she be wanting a cruise for HER birthday?  Or… maybe I’m >>thinking YOU want another cruise for your birthday. >><VBG> > Hell Tom … I’d even want a cruise for YOUR birthday if I could swing it … > Perhaps we should start an RTC Birthday Cruise Fund.  I’ve got a > birthday in June, so I’d gladly be the first recipient.

I’ve done cruises on a few birthdays.  I think we did President’s weekend once.  That’s a birthday.  And I know we did Martin Luther King weekend. I think we even did Christmas week once…. though that birthday doesn’t count for you :) –Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Like they say here in Jersey…   "Lemme get this straight!" >>>Your wife wants another cruise for YOUR birthday? >>>Shouldn’t she be wanting a cruise for HER birthday?  Or… maybe I’m >>>thinking YOU want another cruise for your birthday. >>><VBG> >>Hell Tom … I’d even want a cruise for YOUR birthday if I could swing > it … >Perhaps we should start an RTC Birthday Cruise Fund.  I’ve got a >birthday in June, so I’d gladly be the first recipient. > I’ve done cruises on a few birthdays.  I think we did President’s weekend > once.  That’s a birthday.  And I know we did Martin Luther King weekend. > I think we even did Christmas week once…. though that birthday doesn’t > count for you :) > –Tom

Done lots of birthday cruises Tom, Eileen’s and mine.  And one Christmas cruise, which counted big time, as Eileen had the week off when she worked as the webmistress at the University. Howie

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> Just got back from the Caribbean Princess. Paid $630.00 PP > Now my wife wants another cruise for my birthday. > All I see is prices around $800 and up. > Ft Lauderdale or Miami any cruise line May 29 or 30. > Any TA’s have any deals. > Hank

Try travel.webhosting-list.com

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> I’ve done cruises on a few birthdays.  I think we did President’s weekend > once.  That’s a birthday.  And I know we did Martin Luther King weekend.

Howie and I have birthdays two weeks apart.  We decided to celebrate our 50th birthdays with a cruise (this was some years ago, before cruising became a hey-who-needs-a-reason kind of thing for us).  It was only after we booked the cruise that we realized how funny it was we had chosen the Century.         Eileen

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Prices are starting to go up this time of year. Look around, you may find a good deal.  As summer holiday gets nearer for kids, prices go up, because demand goes up. Sandi All I see is prices around $800 and up. Ft Lauderdale or Miami any cruise line May 29 or 30.

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>> Perhaps we should start an RTC Birthday Cruise Fund.  I’ve got a > birthday in June, so I’d gladly be the first recipient. > I’ve done cruises on a few birthdays.  I think we did President’s weekend > once.  That’s a birthday.  And I know we did Martin Luther King weekend. > I think we even did Christmas week once…. though that birthday doesn’t > count for you :)

Our first cruise was for my husband’s birthday.  We have next MLK weekend booked.  Can I get in the pool?  Although my birthday is in April so I have an entire year to wait. Julie (No long cruises this year, leaving for Italy Thursday) — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Perhaps we should start an RTC Birthday Cruise Fund.  I’ve got a >> birthday in June, so I’d gladly be the first recipient. > I’ve done cruises on a few birthdays.  I think we did President’s weekend > once.  That’s a birthday.  And I know we did Martin Luther King weekend. > I think we even did Christmas week once…. though that birthday doesn’t > count for you :) > Our first cruise was for my husband’s birthday.  We have next MLK weekend > booked.  Can I get in the pool?  Although my birthday is in April so I > have an entire year to wait. > Julie > (No long cruises this year, leaving for Italy Thursday)

If you go to Rome… make sure you go to the glove place (Sermonetta Gloves) by the Spanish Steps.  The best gloves in the world.  Cashmere lined. –Tom

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Achille Lauro Mastermind Dies!

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Good riddance to bad trash as they say! Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Everyone, > I saw that terrorist, Mohammed Abbas, has died in US custody in Iraq. > For those that don’t remember, this is the Palestinian that > masterminded the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking in 1985.  It was > during this hijacking that a wheel-chair bound American, 69-year-old > Leon Klinghoffer, was killed and thrown into the sea.  After this > terrorist act, the cruise industry took well into the 1990s to recover > in the Med.  If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are > available on my web site.   > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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It seems fitting and just that he died in American custody in a cell after all these years. I still remember when Italy in thier infinate wisdom released the highjackers after US fighter jets forced down the aircraft they were fleeing on. George in NY

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone, > I saw that terrorist, Mohammed Abbas, has died in US custody in Iraq. > For those that don’t remember, this is the Palestinian that > masterminded the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking in 1985.  It was > during this hijacking that a wheel-chair bound American, 69-year-old > Leon Klinghoffer, was killed and thrown into the sea.  After this > terrorist act, the cruise industry took well into the 1990s to recover > in the Med.  If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are > available on my web site. > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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No "shiva" sat here — DG in Cherry Hill, NJ

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> No tears shed here. > Tom Smith > Hi Everyone, > I saw that terrorist, Mohammed Abbas, has died in US custody in Iraq. > For those that don’t remember, this is the Palestinian that > masterminded the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking in 1985.  It was > during this hijacking that a wheel-chair bound American, 69-year-old > Leon Klinghoffer, was killed and thrown into the sea.  After this > terrorist act, the cruise industry took well into the 1990s to recover > in the Med.  If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are > available on my web site. > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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Hi Everyone, I saw that terrorist, Mohammed Abbas, has died in US custody in Iraq. For those that don’t remember, this is the Palestinian that masterminded the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking in 1985.  It was during this hijacking that a wheel-chair bound American, 69-year-old Leon Klinghoffer, was killed and thrown into the sea.  After this terrorist act, the cruise industry took well into the 1990s to recover in the Med.  If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are available on my web site.   Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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No tears shed here. Tom Smith

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone, > I saw that terrorist, Mohammed Abbas, has died in US custody in Iraq. > For those that don’t remember, this is the Palestinian that > masterminded the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking in 1985.  It was > during this hijacking that a wheel-chair bound American, 69-year-old > Leon Klinghoffer, was killed and thrown into the sea.  After this > terrorist act, the cruise industry took well into the 1990s to recover > in the Med.  If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are > available on my web site. > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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Hi Everyone, I saw that terrorist, Mohammed Abbas, has died in US custody in Iraq. For those that don’t remember, this is the Palestinian that masterminded the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking in 1985.  It was during this hijacking that a wheel-chair bound American, 69-year-old Leon Klinghoffer, was killed and thrown into the sea.  After this terrorist act, the cruise industry took well into the 1990s to recover in the Med.  If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are available on my web site.   Best regards, Ray LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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No tears shed here. Tom Smith

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone, > I saw that terrorist, Mohammed Abbas, has died in US custody in Iraq. > For those that don’t remember, this is the Palestinian that > masterminded the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking in 1985.  It was > during this hijacking that a wheel-chair bound American, 69-year-old > Leon Klinghoffer, was killed and thrown into the sea.  After this > terrorist act, the cruise industry took well into the 1990s to recover > in the Med.  If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are > available on my web site. > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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Good riddance to bad trash as they say! Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Everyone, > I saw that terrorist, Mohammed Abbas, has died in US custody in Iraq. > For those that don’t remember, this is the Palestinian that > masterminded the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking in 1985.  It was > during this hijacking that a wheel-chair bound American, 69-year-old > Leon Klinghoffer, was killed and thrown into the sea.  After this > terrorist act, the cruise industry took well into the 1990s to recover > in the Med.  If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are > available on my web site.   > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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It seems fitting and just that he died in American custody in a cell after all these years. I still remember when Italy in thier infinate wisdom released the highjackers after US fighter jets forced down the aircraft they were fleeing on. George in NY

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone, > I saw that terrorist, Mohammed Abbas, has died in US custody in Iraq. > For those that don’t remember, this is the Palestinian that > masterminded the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking in 1985.  It was > during this hijacking that a wheel-chair bound American, 69-year-old > Leon Klinghoffer, was killed and thrown into the sea.  After this > terrorist act, the cruise industry took well into the 1990s to recover > in the Med.  If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are > available on my web site. > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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No "shiva" sat here — DG in Cherry Hill, NJ

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> No tears shed here. > Tom Smith > Hi Everyone, > I saw that terrorist, Mohammed Abbas, has died in US custody in Iraq. > For those that don’t remember, this is the Palestinian that > masterminded the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking in 1985.  It was > during this hijacking that a wheel-chair bound American, 69-year-old > Leon Klinghoffer, was killed and thrown into the sea.  After this > terrorist act, the cruise industry took well into the 1990s to recover > in the Med.  If you have missed any of my news’ postings, they are > available on my web site. > Best regards, > Ray > LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL > 800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905 > http://www.lighthousetravel.com

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security question

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>Is that what you tell your classmates?  FC is OK, but it’s not like it is in >the >Movies Goob.  You’re a real piece of work.

So are you, you fucken pervert.  You probably got yourself on the government’s no fly list just so you could get your AIDS infected ass fisted at the airport. You old gay whore! >And when you start, we all know, you’ll get it wrong.

But we all know it doesn’t matter, you’re a troll and all you trolls want is attention, and you’re getting it, so what’s the problem Inbred Jim? JIM DAVIS SR. – RTA KOOK OF THE YEAR 2004!!! You finally got what you wanted!  You join the exclusive group of RTA kooks that includes JF Mezei, RTA Kook of the Millennium and Michael "mrtravelkook" Voight, RTA Kook of the Decade. You begged for it, and you got it! Since you first showed up on RTA, bragging about how you had harassed the Feds into placing you under surveillance 24/7 and putting you on the TSA’s No Fly List, it was obvious you were the front runner for Kook of the Year. When you started following up to the warning posts about Michael Voight with your hysterical female rants it was obvious you had homosexual feelings for Voight.  That fact that he rejected your advances sent you into a jealous rage – Hell hath no fury like a gay man scorned. Then you started posting your autobiographical Inbred Ned posts about incest, pedophilia, and rednecks and it became obvious you are a deeply disturbed gay pedophile redneck. So congratulations, you finally got the recognition you deserve, Mr. Inbred Kook.  It’s what you wanted, Davis, attention!

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> SEE Anonymous Sender at alt.usenet.kooks on 06 Mar 2004! Reserve your > tickets now! >>Thats why I know that you’ll never make it in this life. > On the contrary,<SMACK> > QUIET, ass. Your repeated blather is tiresome.

The little guy’s amusing, ain’t he? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ms.Goodwrench on the necessity of established "radicals": > "The NRA and ACLU are RADICAL… and GOD BLESS ‘EM FOR IT!!!  They’re > protecting our rights!  They’re radical because they have to be!!!"

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>The little guy’s amusing, ain’t he?

Awww shucks, I can’t take all the credit.  You gay old pedophiles are so easy to amuse.  Your shriveled up little dicks get all hard the moment any young man talks to you. JIM DAVIS SR. – RTA KOOK OF THE YEAR 2004!!! You finally got what you wanted!  You join the exclusive group of RTA kooks that includes JF Mezei, RTA Kook of the Millennium and Michael "mrtravelkook" Voight, RTA Kook of the Decade. You begged for it, and you got it! Since you first showed up on RTA, bragging about how you had harassed the Feds into placing you under surveillance 24/7 and putting you on the TSA’s No Fly List, it was obvious you were the front runner for Kook of the Year. When you started following up to the warning posts about Michael Voight with your hysterical female rants it was obvious you had homosexual feelings for Voight.  That fact that he rejected your advances sent you into a jealous rage – Hell hath no fury like a gay man scorned. Then you started posting your autobiographical Inbred Ned posts about incest, pedophilia, and rednecks and it became obvious you are a deeply disturbed gay pedophile redneck. So congratulations, you finally got the recognition you deserve, Mr. Inbred Kook.  It’s what you wanted, Davis, attention!

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>The little guy’s amusing, ain’t he? > Awww shucks, I can’t take all the credit.  You gay old pedophiles are so easy to > amuse.  Your shriveled up little dicks get all hard the moment any young man > talks to you.

OooooKayyy – A GOOBER response.  Well placed.  Your true colors are starting to show. Uh – Pardon Me, but you still have the facts wrong.  Far from 100%.  Stop licking the windows on the Bus, and concentrate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> JIM DAVIS SR. – RTA KOOK OF THE YEAR 2004!!!

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>OooooKayyy – A GOOBER response.  Well placed.  Your true colors >are starting to show.

It turns you on, doesn’t it?  How many of those little inbred redneck goobers in your town have you raped in the school bathroom? >Uh – Pardon Me, but you still have the facts wrong.

Facts?  What facts?  Facts don’t matter to you, all you want is that someone pay attention to you so you can jack off in front of the monitor.  How many times have you had to wipe the cum off your computer today, you sad old pedo? JIM DAVIS SR. – RTA KOOK OF THE YEAR 2004!!! You finally got what you wanted!  You join the exclusive group of RTA kooks that includes JF Mezei, RTA Kook of the Millennium and Michael "mrtravelkook" Voight, RTA Kook of the Decade. You begged for it, and you got it! Since you first showed up on RTA, bragging about how you had harassed the Feds into placing you under surveillance 24/7 and putting you on the TSA’s No Fly List, it was obvious you were the front runner for Kook of the Year. When you started following up to the warning posts about Michael Voight with your hysterical female rants it was obvious you had homosexual feelings for Voight.  That fact that he rejected your advances sent you into a jealous rage – Hell hath no fury like a gay man scorned. Then you started posting your autobiographical Inbred Ned posts about incest, pedophilia, and rednecks and it became obvious you are a deeply disturbed gay pedophile redneck. So congratulations, you finally got the recognition you deserve, Mr. Inbred Kook.  It’s what you wanted, Davis, attention!

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>>OooooKayyy – A GOOBER response.  Well placed.  Your true colors >are starting to show. > It turns you on, doesn’t it?  How many of those little inbred redneck goobers in > your town have you raped in the school bathroom?

You seem to be preoccupied with specific thoughts. How long have these things been on your mind? I think you really should seek professional assistance to deal with about why your thoughts drift to such unhealthy subjects.

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defense of his pedophile buddy Inbred Ned/Jim Davis: >You seem to be preoccupied with specific thoughts. How long have these >things been on your mind? I think you really should seek professional >assistance to deal with about why your thoughts drift to such unhealthy >subjects.

Speaking of unhealthy subjects: About Rogue Cisco Employee Michael "mrtravelkay" Voight, a.k.a. the "mrtravel" Netkook Troll/Usenet Flooder ***WARNING:  THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE’S IDENTITIES ON USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.*** "mrtavelkay" is the latest usenet handle of a brainless troll whose real name is He is better known by his previous stupid handle, "mrtravel". The idiot works for Cisco in San Jose and apparently they don’t keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet when he isn’t looking for foreign brides to marry in exchange for money in alt.visa.us.marriage-based  and alt.personals.big-folks, or trying to pick up minors in alt.personals.teens or any of the number of creepy newsgroups he frequents.  Some of his other trolling aliases are Network All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only two cerebral neurons The lastest product of his brain diarrhea is Bill Clarkj He seems to like to hang out in alt.sex.preteen.  Hmmm…. His phone numbers are 831-295-3628 and 831-252-2606. He’s got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the intelligence to take away from him.  Lord only knows what could have happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook.  The other kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since they come and go so do the kids.  It wouldn’t hurt to let Cisco know what kind of deviant sexual pervert maniac they have working for them, so…. He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to You can also call them at 1 800 553 2447 and ask to speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet on company time.  THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT. Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE.  They will LOVE that you brought this to their attention: Cisco Systems, Inc. 170 West Tasman Dr. San Jose, CA 95134 USA Then also call them.  You should always follow up email or letters with phone calls.  Always ask for supervisors or managers.  Try to get as far up as possible. (408)526-4000 (800)553-NETS or (800)553-6387 Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in investing in their company but won’t do so until they get rid of this asshole who is wasting company resources: Cisco Systems, Inc. Investor Relations Department 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 Phone: (408) 526-8890 Fax: (408) 526-4545 Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about this type of stuff: USA 1 800 553 6387 Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the headquarters address.  Believe me, they READ your complaints and are VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it’s about one of their employees.  They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE out of their company: John Morgridge, Chairman John Chambers, President, CEO Donald Valentine, Vice Chairman Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations Have fun!

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>Yes, Lame. This one could be considered cute, except for the fact that you >still have to refer to material from someone else.  Originality is the key >to being a good troll.

Yes, *you* obviously know a lot about both "originality" and trolling, what with those autobiographical Inbred Ned vignettes.  Stick to your incestuous pedophilic life, it’s obviously working for you.  You managed to bring Gary Burnore out of the woodwork, THE most renowned pedophile on usenet.  Support like that just can’t be bought.  You must be doing something right.

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>Yes, Lame. This one could be considered cute, except for the fact that you >still have to refer to material from someone else.  Originality is the key >to being a good troll. > Yes, *you* obviously know a lot about both "originality" and trolling, what with > those autobiographical Inbred Ned vignettes.

Thats why I know that you’ll never make it in this life. >Stick to your incestuous pedophilic life, it’s obviously working for you.

This is the same old drivel, over & over.  You’re only inches away from your Copy & Paste Trolling again.  You’ve been locked up alone too long.  Yo should teach your own course.  Usenet Troll to Loser in 10 easy posts. >You managed to bring Gary Brnore out of the woodwork, THE most renowned

pedophile on usenet.  Support > like that just can’t be bought.  You must be doing something right.

Seems the word pedophile, is pretty well burned into your skull.  Everybodys a pedophile now.  Monkeys learn faster than you.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> SEE Anonymous Sender at alt.usenet.kooks on 06 Mar 2004! Reserve your > tickets now! >>Yes, Lame. This one could be considered cute, except for the fact that >>you still have to refer to material from someone else.  Originality is >>the key to being a good troll. > Yes, *you* obviously know a lot about both "originality" and trolling, > what with those autobiographical Inbred Ned vignettes.  Stick to your > incestuous pedophilic life, it’s obviously working for you.  You > managed to bring Gary Burnore out of the woodwork, THE most renowned > pedophile on usenet. > Another virgin regards Gary as a pedo. What a surprise.

He’s grasping into the Air for something he can’t reach. (ie: intelligence) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ms.Goodwrench on the necessity of established "radicals": > "The NRA and ACLU are RADICAL… and GOD BLESS ‘EM FOR IT!!!  They’re > protecting our rights!  They’re radical because they have to be!!!"

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>Thats why I know that you’ll never make it in this life.

On the contrary, Gay Old Pops – while you’re in the little room at the airport getting anally probed, I’m sitting in First Class sipping Champagne.  Stew on that! >This is the same old drivel, over & over.  You’re only inches away from your >Copy & Paste Trolling again.  You’ve been locked up alone too long.  Yo >should teach your own course.  Usenet Troll to Loser in 10 easy posts. >You managed to bring Gary Brnore out of the woodwork, THE most renowned >pedophile on usenet.  Support > like that just can’t be bought.  You must be doing something right. >Seems the word pedophile, is pretty well burned into your skull.  Everybodys >a pedophile now.  Monkeys learn faster than you.

Wrong again, as usual.  Burnore is a registered sex offender in California with a well-known pedophile rap sheet.  He is to California what you are to Texas. JIM DAVIS SR. – RTA KOOK OF THE YEAR 2004!!! You finally got what you wanted!  You join the exclusive group of RTA kooks that includes JF Mezei, RTA Kook of the Millennium and Michael "mrtravelkook" Voight, RTA Kook of the Decade. You begged for it, and you got it! Since you first showed up on RTA, bragging about how you had harassed the Feds into placing you under surveillance 24/7 and putting you on the TSA’s No Fly List, it was obvious you were the front runner for Kook of the Year. When you started following up to the warning posts about Michael Voight’s with your hysterical female rants it was obvious you had homosexual feelings for Voight.  That fact that he rejected your advances sent you into a jealous rage – Hell hath no fury like a gay man scorned. Then you started posting your autobiographical Inbred Ned posts about incest, pedophilia, and rednecks and it became obvious you are a deeply disturbed gay pedophile redneck. So congratulations, you finally got the recognition you deserve, Mr. Inbred Kook.  It’s what you wanted, Davis, attention!

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>> Another virgin regards Gary as a pedo. What a surprise. >He’s grasping into the Air for something he can’t reach. (ie: intelligence)

Nope, it’s been known for years that Gary Burnore is a registered sex offender in California.  Do a search (if you know how). Just like you are a registered sex offender in Houston, TX. JIM DAVIS SR. – RTA KOOK OF THE YEAR 2004!!! You finally got what you wanted!  You join the exclusive group of RTA kooks that includes JF Mezei, RTA Kook of the Millennium and Michael "mrtravelkook" Voight, RTA Kook of the Decade. You begged for it, and you got it! Since you first showed up on RTA, bragging about how you had harassed the Feds into placing you under surveillance 24/7 and putting you on the TSA’s No Fly List, it was obvious you were the front runner for Kook of the Year. When you started following up to the warning posts about Michael Voight’s with your hysterical female rants it was obvious you had homosexual feelings for Voight.  That fact that he rejected your advances sent you into a jealous rage – Hell hath no fury like a gay man scorned. Then you started posting your autobiographical Inbred Ned posts about incest, pedophilia, and rednecks and it became obvious you are a deeply disturbed gay pedophile redneck. So congratulations, you finally got the recognition you deserve, Mr. Inbred Kook.  It’s what you wanted, Davis, attention!

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> On the contrary, Gay Old Pops – while you’re in the little room at the airport > getting anally probed, I’m sitting in First Class sipping Champagne.  Stew on > that!

Is that what you tell your classmates?  FC is OK, but it’s not like it is in the Movies Goob.  You’re a real piece of work. > JIM DAVIS SR. – RTA KOOK OF THE YEAR 2004!!! > You finally got what you wanted!  You join the exclusive group of RTA kooks that > includes JF Mezei, RTA Kook of the Millennium and Michael "mrtravelkook" Voight, > RTA Kook of the Decade. > You begged for it, and you got it!

And when you start, we all know, you’ll get it wrong. > Since you first showed up on RTA, bragging about how you had harassed the Feds > into placing you under surveillance 24/7 and putting you on the TSA’s No Fly > List, it was obvious you were the front runner for Kook of the Year.

It still cracks me up – A Troll with a reading problem.  You post the same crap over & over and still can’t get it right.  Any relation to Forest Gump?? > When you started following up to the warning posts about Michael Voight’s with > your hysterical female rants it was obvious you had homosexual feelings for > Voight.  That fact that he rejected your advances sent you into a jealous rage – > Hell hath no fury like a gay man scorned.

<Yawn>  Same old Song & Dance. > So congratulations, you finally got the recognition you deserve, Mr. Inbred > Kook.  It’s what you wanted, Davis, attention!

Start the Award Proceedings. Copy & Paste Copy & Paste Copy & Paste Copy & Paste Copy & Paste Copy & Paste Copy & Paste Copy & Paste Copy & Paste Copy & Paste

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>The "SSSS" issue is up to the Airline.  I’m on a Watch List + fly 1 way last >minute at least twice a week.  AA, UA, & Delta always give me the "SSSS".

No surprising!  They probably took a look at your Inbred Ned character and realized you were an old pervert with a fetish for Cisco kooks like mrtraveldick.  They probably realize that old perverts like you could go off like a ticking time bomb at any moment unexpectedly and decided to protect themselves and their aircraft as well as the other passengers from you.  Bravo AA UA and DL !!! Abuse complaints about this pervert/troll/kook should be sent to: Probably a good idea to write to the TSA too.  The more complaints they have the sooner they’ll cart his perverted old ass to jail.

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> >The "SSSS" issue is up to the Airline.  I’m on a Watch List + fly 1 way last >minute at least twice a week.  AA, UA, & Delta always give me the "SSSS". > No surprising!  They probably took a look at your Inbred Ned character and > realized you were an old pervert with a fetish for Cisco kooks like > mrtraveldick.  They probably realize that old perverts like you could go off > like a ticking time bomb at any moment unexpectedly and decided to protect > themselves and their aircraft as well as the other passengers from you. Bravo > AA UA and DL !!!

In a post just a few hours ago, you said that I was too sad to respond to. Looks like your memory is as bad as your reading skills.  You’re getting more pathitic as every minute goes by.  That’s not good, if you want to grow up to be a professional Troll.  And you need some new material.  Maybe think about hiring a writer.

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>In a post just a few hours ago, you said that I was too sad to respond to. >Looks like your memory is as bad as your reading skills.  You’re getting >more pathitic as every minute goes by.  That’s not good, if you want to grow >up to be a professional Troll.  And you need some new material.  Maybe think >about hiring a writer.

And yet you keep reading my posts and responding.  Like an old pedophile hanging around school grounds you keep driving round and round, playing with your little willy.  You child molesters are all alike.

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>In a post just a few hours ago, you said that I was too sad to respond to. >Looks like your memory is as bad as your reading skills.  You’re getting >more pathitic as every minute goes by.  That’s not good, if you want to grow >up to be a professional Troll.  And you need some new material.  Maybe think >about hiring a writer. > And yet you keep reading my posts and responding.

And, obviously, you’r not prepaired for that.  I doesn’t involve Copy & Paste.  A good Troll must be prepaired for anything.  And only ONE crosspost?????  You’re failing in the Trolling profession. >Like an old pedophile hanging > around school grounds you keep driving round and round, playing with your little > willy.  You child molesters are all alike.

A little better, but this insult has been used many times.  It’s one of the common fall-backs when new material can’t be concieved.

Yes, Lame. This one could be considered cute, except for the fact that you still have to refer to material from someone else.  Originality is the key to being a good troll.  This one may be the result of withdrawal from the Copy & Paste Syndrome.  It’s OK Goob, Stick with it.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> for some reason AS always assigns extra screening to ‘1-ways’ (even if part > of a larger intinerary NOT ON ONE OF THEIR PARTNERS – I asked – they even > assigned me when I got xfr’d from a dead HP flight – but didn’t get it when > moved to NW flight) > CO is quite bad at this, especially/even if it’s just one of their > flights booked as a codeshare by a partner.  I always get the SSSS on > BDl-EWR even if it’s part of a return leg on NW. > Never had the problem with AS/QX when it’s only oneway one them sold by > a partner (NW again)

The "SSSS" issue is up to the Airline.  I’m on a Watch List + fly 1 way last minute at least twice a week.  AA, UA, & Delta always give me the "SSSS". The rest just clear the Security Warning on my name & move me along with no problem.  Also noticed  - I flew out of LAX this morning, back to Houston. LAX has started the gate screening thing again.

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>The "SSSS" issue is up to the Airline.  I’m on a Watch List + fly 1 way last >minute at least twice a week.  AA, UA, & Delta always give me the "SSSS".

No surprising!  They probably took a look at your Inbred Ned character and realized you were an old pervert with a fetish for Cisco kooks like mrtraveldick.  They probably realize that old perverts like you could go off like a ticking time bomb at any moment unexpectedly and decided to protect themselves and their aircraft as well as the other passengers from you.  Bravo AA UA and DL !!! Abuse complaints about this pervert/troll/kook should be sent to: Probably a good idea to write to the TSA too.  The more complaints they have the sooner they’ll cart his perverted old ass to jail.

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> for some reason AS always assigns extra screening to ‘1-ways’ (even if part > of a larger intinerary NOT ON ONE OF THEIR PARTNERS – I asked – they even > assigned me when I got xfr’d from a dead HP flight – but didn’t get it when > moved to NW flight)

CO is quite bad at this, especially/even if it’s just one of their flights booked as a codeshare by a partner.  I always get the SSSS on BDl-EWR even if it’s part of a return leg on NW. Never had the problem with AS/QX when it’s only oneway one them sold by a partner (NW again)

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for some reason AS always assigns extra screening to ‘1-ways’ (even if part of a larger intinerary NOT ON ONE OF THEIR PARTNERS – I asked – they even assigned me when I got xfr’d from a dead HP flight – but didn’t get it when moved to NW flight) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Just returned from a business trip.  PHX-SEA was on America West, > SEA-SFO was Alaskan Airlines (booked through Northwest), and SFO-PHX was > America West. On the SEA-SFO segment both my boss and I were selected > for extra screening on our boarding pass. I don’t mind going through the > extra screening if it is random, however, my boss says he always goes > through the extra screening on Alaskan Airlines, even with being a > frequent flier with them.  One screener had told him one time to ask why > he is singled out all the time, but he has never has asked. > Anyway, I’m now wondering if I will always be singled out if I fly > Alaskan Airlines (and Northwest?), since I had checked in with my boss. > Most of my flights are on America West, with this one time on Alaskan to > save time, but I’d like to know for future considerations of flights if > they are going to consider me a flight risk all the time.  Anyway to > allow them to do a background check before flying?  It’s one thing if > they see something in my bags that they want to check out, it’s another > thing to always be an assumed risk before getting to the security area. > Any insight appreciated.

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Just returned from a business trip.  PHX-SEA was on America West, SEA-SFO was Alaskan Airlines (booked through Northwest), and SFO-PHX was America West. On the SEA-SFO segment both my boss and I were selected for extra screening on our boarding pass. I don’t mind going through the extra screening if it is random, however, my boss says he always goes through the extra screening on Alaskan Airlines, even with being a frequent flier with them.  One screener had told him one time to ask why he is singled out all the time, but he has never has asked. Anyway, I’m now wondering if I will always be singled out if I fly Alaskan Airlines (and Northwest?), since I had checked in with my boss. Most of my flights are on America West, with this one time on Alaskan to save time, but I’d like to know for future considerations of flights if they are going to consider me a flight risk all the time.  Anyway to allow them to do a background check before flying?  It’s one thing if they see something in my bags that they want to check out, it’s another thing to always be an assumed risk before getting to the security area. Any insight appreciated.

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> Just returned from a business trip.  PHX-SEA was on America West, > SEA-SFO was Alaskan Airlines (booked through Northwest), and SFO-PHX was > America West. On the SEA-SFO segment both my boss and I were selected > for extra screening on our boarding pass. I don’t mind going through the > extra screening if it is random, however, my boss says he always goes > through the extra screening on Alaskan Airlines, even with being a > frequent flier with them.  One screener had told him one time to ask why > he is singled out all the time, but he has never has asked.

I suspect it is due to the oneway trip

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> > Just returned from a business trip.  PHX-SEA was on America West, > SEA-SFO was Alaskan Airlines (booked through Northwest), and SFO-PHX was > America West. On the SEA-SFO segment both my boss and I were selected > for extra screening on our boarding pass. I don’t mind going through the > extra screening if it is random, however, my boss says he always goes > through the extra screening on Alaskan Airlines, even with being a > frequent flier with them.  One screener had told him one time to ask why > he is singled out all the time, but he has never has asked. > I suspect it is due to the oneway trip

One way trip on AS booked through NW (and likely using a NW FF # ?).  Same thing happens to me if I book a leg using Continental through Northwest via a codeshare.  I can actually complete a round-trip consisting of one-way NW metal and the other direction CO metal with NW codeshare and get SSSS’d on when on CO metal.  It’s the CO flight I get hit on because CO just sees my one-way segment in their computer.   NW, OTOH, sees my full return schedule as I booked the ticket with them. CAPPS is a stupid system and hits a good # of people on a daily basis. Steve

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> Most of my flights are on America West, with this one time on Alaskan to > save time, but I’d like to know for future considerations of flights if > they are going to consider me a flight risk all the time.

One of my twin teenage daughters always gets selected, the other never.  One first name apparently triggers CAPPS, while the other doesn’t, whether they fly together or separately.  It’s used to be amusing, but it’s frustrating, especially since personnel cutbacks mean the queue for secondary screening can be 20 or 30 minutes long, on top of the 10-30 minute wait for primary screening. — Randy Hudson

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